[milwaukee-electric] Re: Milwaukee streetcar engineering to begin this fall.

[Ken and Tracie]

I don't mean to offend anybody, but I find this proposed Milwaukee streetcar 
line disappointing

This line appears to serve NO purpose! Why not just visit Kenosha or East 
Troy to ride
streetcars?

This is a waste of money. Girdling the essentially irrelevant Downtown with
a car line that goes nowhere?

Do I support a light rail line between potential riders and a popular
destination? Makes sense to me. Light rail from the suburbs to an active
business district, university, arena, stadium and/or mall? Absolutely!  But
circling the outer perimeter of what is no longer a vibrant center of
consumerism or civic activity? Ridiculous!

Riders may prefer rail to rubber, but I believe a one seat ride trumps all.
What are the planners going to do? Force transfers to the streetcars and
perhaps alienate bus riders?

The charm and ambience of a streetcar may be the tipping point for fans like 
us, but to John Q. Public, an enclosed mall during winter wins every time.

Starter lines ought be like the ones built in Portland, San Diego or
Calgary.

K.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Y Marti" <yance at oldmilwaukee.net>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:44 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Milwaukee streetcar engineering to begin 
this fall.


> Now all I need to do is to brush up on rail design and I'll have
> plenty of work to keep me busy for the next couple of years. I'm
> looking forward to ebing involved in some way with the design. This is
> groundbreaking.
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> Quoting mrcooby <x779 at webtv.net>:
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>> Preliminary engineering can begin this year for the plan to build a
>> downtown Milwaukee streetcar system because a U.S. spending bill
>> dedicated $54.9 million to the project.
>>
>> The money will come from $91.5 million in federal money for
>> transportation projects in Milwaukee County. Scott Walker, Milwaukee
>> County executive, criticized the decision to spend any money on the
>> streetcar rail system, saying the federal cash should go toward new
>> high-speed bus routes.
>>
>> The federal budget bill signed last week dedicates the remaining
>> $36.6 million to Milwaukee County buses. The federal decision wipes
>> out a 1999 agreement between former Milwaukee County Executive Tom
>> Ament, former Milwaukee Mayor John Norquist and former Gov. Tommy
>> Thompson that said the $91.5 million would not be spent unless all
>> three executive offices agreed on the project.
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>> Patrick Curley, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett's chief of staff, said
>> the mayor lobbied Wisconsin's Congressional delegates to dedicate
>> the money because of local disagreements over how it should be
>> spent. He said the federal money will cover a good portion of the
>> streetcar system's construction costs, but he said he will not know
>> how much more money will be necessary until the preliminary
>> engineering work is complete.
>>
>> "We are now on firm ground," Curley said. "We are out of the
>> quagmire and standing on terra firma."
>>
>> The proposed streetcar would run in a square made up of St. Paul
>> Avenue, Fourth Street, Juneau Avenue and Van Buren Street.
>>
>> Walker said the streetcar system will need $3 million in state
>> transit money each year for operating costs, and the money will come
>> out of the county bus system's share of state money. He said the
>> federal move means he cannot derail the streetcar project.
>>
>> "At this point, we won't have any role at all, period," he said.
>> "It's completely wiped out by this federal action."
>>
>> Walker said he will use the county's $36.6 million cut of the
>> federal money to run a bus line from the Milwaukee County Grounds in
>> Wauwatosa, along Wisconsin Avenue to Prospect Avenue and north to
>> the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee campus. He said the new bus
>> line will connect the proposed UW-Milwaukee engineering campus in
>> Wauwatosa to the main university campus.
>>
>> Curley said the city should tap into the proposed Southeastern
>> Wisconsin Regional Transit Authority, which could levy a sales tax,
>> to support the streetcar system.
>>
>> "We would like to be part of the RTA," he said. "This should be no
>> different from any other system."
>>
>> ===from Lou Rugani
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