Pittsburgh Rys 101

[Jim Holland]

Greetings!

EDWARD H. LYBARGER wrote:

> Was I "evil" for actively opposing the Sky Bus?  I didn't even live in
> Allegheny County during most of it.  By Jim's standard, though I must have
> been!!

	Twist what is being said - change the subject - turn the tables.  That is 
exactly what you have done here - above and below.
	You say business at any cost and the evidence is right here in this exchange 
but I say:  "The ends do not justify the means."

> It's all a matter of who's ox is being gored.  And I will assure you that
> there were many abusive railfans pestering PAT in the mid to late '60s; they
> in large part provoked the agency's attitude.  Fans stealing streetcars for
> joyrides didn't help, either. . .

	There's good and bad in every group everywhere, but ({[PAT]}) came in with a 
bad attitude - others have already mentioned that in this exchange.  Then ({[PAT]}) 
did what you are doing - turned the tables to blame the railfans!

> So it cuts both ways.  You can't just say
> someone is evil for having a different opinion...

	Never did - as I have explained over and over and over!
	And why don't you practice what you preach - I have a different opinion of 
({[PAT]}) because their  METHODS  (from 1964 to ca 1970) were disreputable, 
unethical, and evil - ignoring the will of the people - but you don't allow me to 
hold that stance!

> that's what makes America
> great!  You have to look at both sides of the controversy and acknowledge as
> many of the facts as possible.

	My statements about ({[PAT]}) were never directed at Ed personally nor 
anyone else; please forgive me.

	From past personal exchanges, you have raised many warning flags.  This gives 
me great concern because you have been an officer of the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum 
(PTM) in the past and have the potential to be an officer in the future.  Membership 
should be such as to be mutually beneficial but the balance there is lost.  Others 
have complained that a small group of PTM run the operation, disregarding the 
membership at large, and this seems to be the case.  People leave the museum and you 
personally say they left because they didn't get their way without inquiring as to 
who or what situations were involved.  And you talk about universities being 
unethical for receiving grants - but trolley museums have definitely jumped on that 
"cash" wagon!  With these grants being in the multiple hundreds of thousands of 
dollars, membership dues of $35 per year are meaningless.  The big bucks talk and the 
railfan member has been pushed aside.  I see no reason to be a member any longer, and 
thus terminate my membership with PTM.  I wish you much success!
	As I have said, the streetcar era is over!
	YOU  may have the last word!

-- 
James B. Holland
       PITTSBURGH RAILWAYS COMPANY (PRCo), June of 1949 -- June of 1953
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