Pittsburgh Rys 101

[EDWARD H. LYBARGER]

Was I "evil" for actively opposing the Sky Bus?  I didn't even live in
Allegheny County during most of it.  By Jim's standard, though I must have
been!!

It's all a matter of who's ox is being gored.  And I will assure you that
there were many abusive railfans pestering PAT in the mid to late '60s; they
in large part provoked the agency's attitude.  Fans stealing streetcars for
joyrides didn't help, either.  So it cuts both ways.  You can't just say
someone is evil for having a different opinion...that's what makes America
great!  You have to look at both sides of the controversy and acknowledge as
many of the facts as possible.

Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Rys 101


> Greetings!
>
> EDWARD H. LYBARGER wrote:
> >
> > I would agree with everything Ken wrote!
>
> > But the ultimate point is that we can't call people "evil" simply for
> > eliminating streetcars!
>
> Ken Josephson responded:
>
> > > No, but we can call them abusive IF the public funding their operation
> > > are ridiculed for opposing their plans or are intimidated into
accepting
> > > what the public agency claims IT wants for the public rather than what
> > > the public wants from it. Ken J.
>
> Jim Holland originally wrote:
>
> > 10)  Was Geissenheimer responsible for the bizarre paint schemes in the
> > 1970's?
>
>         Believe so!  At first I wasn't too keen about the change but it
did
> bring about a positive public image - many riders knew the cars by name
and
> number!
>         The ({[PAT gray]}) paint scheme is symbolic of everything evil in
PAT
> and is akin to *devil red* as far as I am concerned.
>
> And when taken to task about **"everything evil in PAT"** - I explained
the same
> things that Kenny explained - the things that Ed agrees with - that the
methods used by
> PAT were underhanded.  Ed twisted the statement **"everything evil in
PAT"** into
> **"eliminating streetcars."**.  The latter was the end result of
({[PAT's]}) evil
> actions.  I have acknowledged  ALL  ALONG  DURING  THIS  DISCUSSION  that
streetcars have
> seen their day and are now taking their place in history - I have
acknowledged all along
> that the end for streetcars is here.  But  I  DO  NOT  LIKE  THE  EVIL
METHODS
> ({[PAT]})  USED  TO  ACHIEVE  THIS  END.
>
> Ed Lybarger has also said::
> > No one holds a monopoly on abuse of power.
>
> Therefore, I can assume that ({[PAT]}) abused power as well (evil).
> I can also assume that  --  since what I personally said is the same that
Ken
> Josephson said  --  Ed also agrees with what I said  --  even though he
can't say so
> directly!
>
> --
> James B. Holland
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