More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's

Tue Oct 5 11:47:10 EDT 1999

I too recall a coffee shop.  Was it the B&G with a Bottomless Cup of Coffee?
My friend Bob Leech called it Bugs Galore.  Bob is retired, lives in
Chamblee, GA, had a stroke last year, and cannot get around any more.  His
dad was General Agent for the C&O Ry in Cleveland .Bob was a classmate of
mine as a result, at Emerson Junior High School, Lakewood, Ohio. Then his
dad was transferred to Pittsburgh giving me a base to visit.  They lived on
Bower Hill Road in Mt. Lebanon a few blocks from the 38 loop and the 42 wye.
So that is how I, a Clevelander, became interested in Pittsburgh Railways,
circa 1945-8.   Bill V.  
> ----------
> From: 	Carl Zager[SMTP:czager at bloomington.in.us]
> Reply To: 	pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: 	Monday, September 27, 1999 10:15 AM
> To: 	pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: 	Re: More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
> 
> Robert,
> 
> You are right -- the Mayflower -- and its the second time someone has had
> to refresh my memory about its name.
> 
> You've also given me a modeling hint. Sometimes we forget how often
> buildings were multiple use in urban areas. We think of the strip mall or
> shopping center as a "modern" phenomenon, but shared or leased space has
> always been with us.
> 
> The Sixth/Penn corner of that building (before Heinz Hall) might even have
> been a separate structure with a common exterior. I know the theatre did
> not use that corner anywhere in the interior, except for a small office
> off the lobby near the elevator shaft. I think there was at least one
> other shop between the Mayflower and the Sixth Street main entrance. That
> entrance led past the concession stand to the big marble staircase. The
> lobby then opened up towards the Penn Avenue exit doors. The auditorium
> itself stretched from Penn to the alley between Penn and Liberty and from
> the lobby to an alley between Sixth and Seventh.
> 
> The modeling hint? Signs in second floor windows representing businesses
> different from those on the street floor.
> 
> On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Robert E. Rathke wrote:
> 
> > I used to ride the buses and trolleys from Spring Hill to Duquesne
> > University, and spent many mornings at Sixth and Penn looking at that
> > theater corner while I waited for the 22 Crosstown trolley to arrive
> > southbound on Sixth Street.  At that time, the coffee shop in the corner
> > of the Loews Penn Building was the Mayflower, and the White-Haines
> > Optical Laboratory was on the second floor.  Funny how you remember old
> > signs.
> > 
> > Bob 9/24
> > 
> > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:08:05 -0500 (EST) Carl Zager
> > <czager at bloomington.in.us> writes:
> > >While we're thanking Ken and Dave for the new photos, I thought I 
> > >might
> > >jump in (despite promising to lurk) with this:
> > >	http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/pitts/jpg/pitt467.jpg
> > >The PCC inbound on Penn, turning left on Sixth Street
> > >prompts these memories --
> > >The background building is the Roosevelt Hotel. For many
> > >years the Pittsburgh Steelers offices and headquarters
> > >were in the Sixth Street side of the hotel, just left
> > >and out of the picture. My mother was a desk clerk,
> > >stationed in the lobby accessible under the canopy in the
> > >top right corner.
> > >The corner visible bottom right is currently Heinz Hall.
> > >In our days (late 50's, early 60's) there was a restaurant
> > >in that corner of the Loew's (later United Artists) Penn
> > >Theatre. I worked for a time as an usher there -- black
> > >tuxedo in the winter, white dinner jacket in the summer.
> > >"Once the feature for which you are purchasing tickets has
> > >started, there will be no admission to the auditorium. The
> > >tickets you are currently purchasing may be used at the
> > >(time) showing later today. Thank you." _Psycho_
> > > 
> > >Thanks for the memories! I miss da Burgh.	
> > >
> > >
> > >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Dietrich, Robert J. wrote:
> > >> Thanks Ken and Dave for the pictures.  A couple of them really 
> > >struck home,
> > >> literally.  Picture pitt537.jpg, the 1700 on 40 Mt. Washington, was 
> > >taken
> > >> across the street from where I grew up and pitt501.jpg was a block 
> > >away.  So
> > >> I have to ask; Do you have any more of that location, Southern 
> > >Avenue at
> > >> Natchez and Shiloh streets?  I am more interested in the buildings 
> > >and
> > >> surrounding area than in the trolleys because I'm ready to start 
> > >building an
> > >> East Penn module of the neighborhood.  I want to build it as the 
> > >place
> > >> appeared in the mid fifties, my impressionable years.
> > >> 
> > >> If anyone has any more pictures, with or without street cars, I will 
> > >take
> > >> them in any form.  
> > >
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Bob
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>  -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: 	Kenneth and Tracie Josephson 
> > >[mailto:kjosephson at sprintmail.com] 
> > >> Sent:	Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:38 AM
> > >> To:	pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >> Subject:	More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
> > >> 
> > >> Hi All,
> > >> 
> > >> Dave has posted another eighteen Roberta Hill pix on his site under 
> > >the
> > >> "Ken Josephson Collection." I sent another forty two today. The 
> > >latter
> > >> batch (not up yet) features such oddities as a 1700 on Route 40, an
> > >> interurban PCC holding down a night run on Route 39, a sequence of 
> > >shots
> > >> showing a motorman grappling with a defective trolley pole on a 
> > >1700,
> > >> dewirements, shots from overpasses, high rises, snow shots, last 
> > >runs on
> > >> some lines (including Route 21), a group of passengers transfering 
> > >to
> > >> the car in front of theirs (a breakdown, perhaps?), interior shots,
> > >> M-454 at South Hills Junction, etc.
> > >> 
> > >> I also put together a group of pictures depicting the following cars
> > >> still in PRCo. and/or PAT service: M-200, M-551, M-283, M-210, 1467 
> > >&
> > >> 1711. gee, what do all those cars have in common? ;-) 
> > >> 
> > >> There will be a photo study of M-210, Routes 21 & 40 and several 
> > >views
> > >> of Route 82. I also put together a carhouse and shop collection. 
> > >There
> > >> are shots of cars being *washed*! :-)
> > >> 
> > >> Hope you enjoy the pix when they are posted.
> > >> 
> > >> Ken J.
> > >> 
> > >
> > > Carl Zager
> > > KB9RVB
> > > czager at bloomington.in.us
> > > http://www.mccsc.edu/~czager/
> > >
> > >
> > 
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>  Carl Zager
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