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[Jim Holland]

Greetings!

John F Bromley wrote:

> While browsing references I was surprised to see Bill Volkmer credited with
> one of my 1963 slides.  The view of 1559 at
> http://davesrailpix.railfan./net/pitts/htm/wvp174.htm is a John F Bromley
> original, traded to Bill in 1963 or 1953 when we exchanged a few views.

	Yes - Wild Bill has a habit of doing that - you can write to Dave and
have the credit changed.

> The shrouds on the Pittsburgh 1200s matched the 50 on Toronto cars 4150-4199
> of 1940.  It seems these longer shrouds with the vents were similar in the
> front to those that came on all later St Loiuis cars without roof fans.

	??  Don't understand what you mean here.
	The PRCo--1200 roof shrouds are unique; the original small cowling ala
the Tens and 11s is retained with a large piece in front with vents;
moulding is inserted between the two different width cowlings to blend
them together.
	Don't have any photos of the TTC 4150--4149 cars handy but I do have
photos of the SLPS 1500s provided by Fred Schneider which distinctly
shows this type of cowling.

> Washington also had one series of cars with this type of shroud.  As far as
> I know, it was placed on no other cars.

	None of the photos that I have reveal this type of cowling on DCT
cars.  Which series of cars had this?

> JFB

> John F Bromley wrote:

> Thanks for your "thanks" - so many people never bother.

> It occurs to me that the 1630 was the only PCC EVER to have both a pre-war
> style trolley shroud AND a forward roof vent.

>> Jim Holland wrote::

>>   There were others, but  *probably*  not original.  PRCo 1161, 1169,
>> 1171 come to mind - lived near the 42-Dormont wye and used to see them
>> on the 38 or 42 line often.
>>   These were square//rectangular rather than curved and rounded and the
>> front and back of the vents leaned forward.
>>   And rather than the front one facing forward and the back one (behind
>> the trolley cowl) facing toward the rear ala the 15s and 16s, all vents
>> faced forward on these 11s.
>>   And one of these cars had 3-vents - 2 fore and one aft!  For a similar
>> arrangement, see *PCC From Coast to Coast* pg.222 DCT-1152  --  this car
>> has 3 vents and these look just a little smaller than the ones used on
>> PRCo 11s.  Pg.221 top right photo - car 1121 - might show the vent from
>> the front.
>>   AHA  --  the Volkmer all-color  *PA Trolleys--Vol-3*  pg.96 shows 1161
>> on the 82-Lincoln which I suspect is a charter - the vents are
>> perceptible.  Here is possible charter information for this car by
>> PRMA::  1960.04.24  1161  PRCo  "Springtime Trolley Ramble" Monongahela
>> Incline, 85, 82, 96, 95, 94, 75, 64, 49, 48, 40, 36, 38A, 38, 42.

>>   I recall seeing a photo of one of the PRCo 11s with roof vents on
>> Dave's site but the site shut down on me as I was loading so I can't
>> offer a specific URL at this point.  Think the photo of the car was on
>> the outer terminal of the 94.

>>   PRCo 1200s had unique trolley cowls as well; SLPS-1500s had the same
>> cowl.  Others might have but it is sometimes difficult to tell from
>> photos.  The 1200s still had the original, small, prewar trolley cowl
>> with an additional unit before it to scoop up the air.  A moulding
>> between the original cowling and the addition was needed to smooth the
>> lines since the latter was wider.
>>    In Volkmer's book pg.114, look very carefull at 1242, bottom photo. 
>> Note the portion of the cowling at the trolley bases is mounted on the
>> wood roof walk while the portion in front of it definitely appears wider
>> and is mounted right on the roof.  Compare this to the 14 behind 1242
>> and beside it (TWA ad) and you will notice that the portion by the
>> trolley base does NOT sit on the wood roof walk, does NOT sit on the
>> roof, and is as wide as the portion ahead of it.  There are metal straps
>> between this portion and the roof walk to hold it in place.  *Trolley
>> Talk* #90, pg.2 center left photo shows this a little more clearly.

> John Bromley


James B. Holland

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