West Penn 832

[Edward H. Lybarger]

The cars were originally purchased by West Penn Securities Department, Inc.
and leased to the Allegheny Valley Street Railway.  No equipment trust was
involved, to the best of my knowledge.  None was needed.  The company had
the cash, but wanted to keep the equipment's ownership out of the weakest
link.

The lease was transferred to the Railways company in 1937-38, and the cars
were acquired outright by them in 1944.  The story I get is that the car may
have been intentionally "inadvertently" omitted from the list for sale as
scrap because some employees hoped one would be saved.  If this is true, we
haven't yet done well by those folks, have we?

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
[mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 3:33 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: RE: West Penn 832


Wasn't it an exception, Ed, because it was purchased through a West Penn
Power equipment trust rather then by West Penn Railways???  As you explained
it several years ago, I got the impression that 832 was not scrapped because
it was not owned outright by West Penn Railways.  That it was a leased piece
of equipment?????  I know I have this garbled, but could you clear this up,
Ed?  It says something about how electric railway economics were changing
around 1930.

Thanks,
John


>From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <twg at pulsenet.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: RE: West Penn 832
>Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:39:11 -0400
>
>The 832 wasn't that bad when it got here, but the local thieves removed the
>copper wiring while it sat out of doors.  It was the only car available in
>1952, having been inadvertently(?) omitted from the list of cars sold to
>the
>scrapper.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>[mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of
>Fredbruhn at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 8:43 PM
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: West Penn 832
>
>
>I was under the impression that 832 was the last curved side car shopped at
>Connellsville and is why the museum picked it.  When Fred Schneider says it
>was in horrid shape when it arrived it makes me think I am totally off
>base.
>Did the PERC have other choices on cars from WP?
>
>I do remember that the sheet metal was bad enough that John Baginsky, plus
>I
>assume others, torn the car down to the frame, and that must have been 30
>years ago.
>
>As museums go, I will give PTM a thumbs up for the decisions the founders
>and
>directors have  taken on car acquisitions.  Remember in the beginning many
>of
>the cars came via private sourcing, e.x. Dick Boker 1138, Brown's 3756, and
>I
>am sure personal preference played a role.
>
>If you want to see the no focus, shotgun approach to museum management,
>check
>out ORM in Columbus or NORM in Cleveland.  Everything from dead steam
>engines
>to CTA 4000's, mostly stored outside.  Get everything you can, we'll worry
>about
>storing and restoring some time in the future.   The founders at NORM are
>all
>dedicated people, but looking at TTC (ex Cleveland) PCC's, Shaker (I
>presume
>ex
>St. Louis) PCC's, a TTC small Witt, a PRCo. 1600, Airporter's from the
>original CTS'
>rapid, a NOT&L shell, and others all outside with minimal protection, did
>they need
>4000's just because they were available.   The vandals have been terrible,
>and mother nature does here work too.
>
>Fred
>

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