Interurbans

Sat Sep 30 10:49:12 EDT 2000

1613 & 1614 went in service in 1946.  Dengler took first day pictures.
Somewhere I have conversion dates for the others.  But didn't we talk about
this some months ago?

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
[mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Fred W.
Schneider III
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 10:23 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: Re: Interurbans

Go back a couple of years on the 1600 series PCC interurbans.  I thought it
may
have been 1945 but I do have a confirming picture of two of them passing at
County
Line Siding on the Washington Division on 8 September 1946.

Jim Holland wrote:

> Greetings!
>
>         The 1600--series PCC interurbans were in service by mid--1948,
approx.,
> and the 1700s in very early 1949.  It wasn't until November 1950 that
> both 3700s and 3800s were removed from service.  Scrapping was as much
> as several years later.
>         So the Brill and  *old*  St.-Louies (the PCCs are St.-Louies,
too!) did
> not last to the end of interurban service in Washington County, but it
> was as close to the end as possible - just 2.75-years shy!
>
>         You know that Charleroi had local service as well to Donora.
There was
> a loop at Riverview which had a leg added to it to make it a combination
> loop and wye.  This was the northern terminal of the Donora local and
> the wye could be used by rush hour trippers from Pgh.

I could be wrong, but I think it ultimately was a loop that could be used to
turn
both cars from the north and cars from the south.

>
>         The interurbans thru Charleroi to Roscoe and the Donora local
shared
> trackage from Riverview on south through Monongahela on single track in
> street with passing sidings.  Not long before Black Diamond Junction,
> the line was double track.  The interurbans cut uphill across country at
> the Junction while the Donora local was side of the road for a good
> distance and then in the street as it essentially followed the
> Monongahela River.
>         In Donora, there was a wye that was called a freight terminal.
This
> was not used by the local cars which continued several blocks further to
> a stub end, on street terminal.  But for a period during the 1920s,
> every other interurban came to Donora and wyed so the people of Donora
> had hourly through service without transfer to Pittsburgh as did the
> people of Roscoe and Charleroi.  Thus, it was a 30-minute headway north
> of Black Diamond Jct to Pgh and return.
>
> Greg King wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,
>
> > Thanks, I'll look forward to seeing those, would there be any of the
older
> > 3700 type plans around? Did any of the 3700's last till the end of the
> > 3800's and, how long after the PCC's arrived did the last of the 37 and
> > 3800's go, in other words, did last till the end of the interurban lines
> > and, did any of the bodies get saved (as sheds etc., even). When i get
> > around to building myself a Jones car, it will be one of the D/E types
as
> > used in Washington (as my PCC is signed for Washington), I like the idea
of
> > the local operation at the end of the Interurban line.
>
> > Is anybody/everybody on the list a member at Arden, I would like to chat
> > off-list about it if someone would like too.
>
> > Greg
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Phillips <tsquare at toad.net>
> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 12:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: Greg - our new down-under member
> >
> > > Greg:
> > >
> > > I am a also a fan (and pseudo-student, if you will) of PRCo's
> > > 3800's, they being the first streetcar that I remember from
> > > my days as a youngster in Charleroi, PA (more about that in the
> > > future).  Therefore, be advised that there are some serious
> > > errors on Paul Moore's drawing.
> > >
> > > I have been working on a set of drawings suitable for scaling
> > > for modelling purposes, now almost finished.  Look for them on
> > > the web in the next few weeks.
> > >
> > > Tom Phillips
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > [mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Dietrich,
> > > Robert J.
> > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:09 AM
> > > To: 'pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org'
> > > Subject: RE: Greg - our new down-under member
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg:
> > >
> > > Back in the 1940s Paul Moore drew plans for quite a number of trolley
> > cars,
> > > PRCo 3800 included.  I copied his plans and posted them to the East
Penn
> > > Traction Club web page -- http://www.eastpenn.org/moore.html.  I would
us
> > > these plans to build a model of my own but you may want to research
> > further
> > > before building a production model.  I've been told that Paul's plans
were
> > > not always accurate.
> > >
> > > If you make these in HO the price will determine how many I will buy.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg King [mailto:tramway at one.net.au]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 5:53 PM
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Subject: Re: Greg - our new down-under member
> > >
> > > Hi Fred,
> > >
> > > Thanks for thie nice welcome and info, if you can get me some plans of
> > those
> > > cars, I'll have a look at them, would also need a likely number to be
> > > ordered, the 3700's were nice too, I'd like to get a set of plans for
them
> > > to look at as well.
> > >
> > >
>
> James B. Holland
>
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