[PRCo] Re: The_Queen

[John F Bromley]

Couldn't have put any of this better, John.  I tried to get Jim off this
with some early comments which, paraphrased to save space, added up to
baloney,. but the suggestion wasn't taken well.  The SLCC PCC orders (and
others as well) are fully documented in From Horsecars to Streamliners" by
Alan R Lind's book on SLCC.  De Nada for BTC after Order 1601, that's
nothing in English.  No Baltimore car.  The 1600 was order 1646A, separated
from the original order 1646 when Pittsburgh agreed to the demo
all-electric.

Guess everyone is cranky today.


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: The_Queen


>
>
> Note that the quotation states that the BTC president received permission
> from the board to purchase one car from St. Louis.  I don't see any claim
or
> documentation that an order was actually placed with SLC.  However, I do
see
> the quotation closing with much idle speculation.
>
> That's not history. That's not even research.  All it is is..... (well,
> let's not go there).
>
> PCC orders were given 1600 series SLC order numbers, and I don't see any
> post 1944 orders for BTC in the appendix VII of the Kashin/Demoro PCC
book.
> Therefore, order never placed.  Further, quotation doesn't document that
BTC
> president was authorized to place the purchase.  What was the date of the
> board meeting??  Or was that fabricated also?
>
> As HHG once told me concerning a certain newsletter 'just stick with the
> facts'.
>
> John  (ok, so it's Monday).
>
> p.s.  maybe some of us act like s.o.b.'s too often, but we are trying to
> suggest that one needs to do their homework.
>
>
>
> >From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: "*-*> Transit--Fans" <Transit-Fans at Here-There-Everywhere.com>
> >Subject: [PRCo] The_Queen
> >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:52:04 -0800
> >
> >
> >Good Morning!
> >
> > The following is from another list  --  strictly FYI:::::::
> >
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> >
> >Subject: Re: PRC 1600 Possibly Being A Baltimore Car
> >
> > The Board of Directors of The Baltimore Transit Company authorized an
> >order for
> >one sample post war all-electric car from The St.Louis Car Company in
> >September
> >of 1944.   I quote from "The Best Way To Go - The History Of The
Baltimore
> >Transit Company" by Fr. Kevin A. Mueller,  "As late as September 5, 1944,
> >Bancroft Hill (BTC's President) must have had streetcars in mind for the
> >post
> >war rehabilitation of the system because he requested and received
> >permission
> >from the board of directors to purchase one PCC car from the St. Louis
Car
> >Company.   The BTC wanted to acquire the SLCC PCC to try out a new
braking
> >system that had been developed on the car."   (The order for the 100
> >Pullman
> >cars had been authorized earlier on May 16, 1944.)   The St. Louis car
was
> >never
> >delivered and suspect has it that the car was substantially built and
then
> >offered to PRC at a special deal when the now NCL led BTC cancelled the
> >order.
> >This parallels the Pullman cars that were on their way towards
> >construction, and
> >then offered at special prices to other Companies.
> >
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> >
> >--
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> >
> >James B. Holland
> >
> >Holland  Electric  Railway  Operation.......
> >......"O"--Scale  St.-Petersburg Trams Company Trolleycars  AND...
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