[PRCo] Re: The_Queen

[John Swindler]

Thanks, John

For some reason it just 'jumped out' what the Baltimore quotation was really 
saying.  Or wasn't saying.  And I just rambled on from there.

Poor Jim.  Such a pleasant chap, and long time friend.  He's good people.

John



>From: "John F Bromley" <johnfbromley at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: The_Queen
>Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:49:22 -0500
>
>
>Couldn't have put any of this better, John.  I tried to get Jim off this
>with some early comments which, paraphrased to save space, added up to
>baloney,. but the suggestion wasn't taken well.  The SLCC PCC orders (and
>others as well) are fully documented in From Horsecars to Streamliners" by
>Alan R Lind's book on SLCC.  De Nada for BTC after Order 1601, that's
>nothing in English.  No Baltimore car.  The 1600 was order 1646A, separated
>from the original order 1646 when Pittsburgh agreed to the demo
>all-electric.
>
>Guess everyone is cranky today.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:27 AM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: The_Queen
>
>
> >
> >
> > Note that the quotation states that the BTC president received 
>permission
> > from the board to purchase one car from St. Louis.  I don't see any 
>claim
>or
> > documentation that an order was actually placed with SLC.  However, I do
>see
> > the quotation closing with much idle speculation.
> >
> > That's not history. That's not even research.  All it is is..... (well,
> > let's not go there).
> >
> > PCC orders were given 1600 series SLC order numbers, and I don't see any
> > post 1944 orders for BTC in the appendix VII of the Kashin/Demoro PCC
>book.
> > Therefore, order never placed.  Further, quotation doesn't document that
>BTC
> > president was authorized to place the purchase.  What was the date of 
>the
> > board meeting??  Or was that fabricated also?
> >
> > As HHG once told me concerning a certain newsletter 'just stick with the
> > facts'.
> >
> > John  (ok, so it's Monday).
> >
> > p.s.  maybe some of us act like s.o.b.'s too often, but we are trying to
> > suggest that one needs to do their homework.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> > >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >To: "*-*> Transit--Fans" <Transit-Fans at Here-There-Everywhere.com>
> > >Subject: [PRCo] The_Queen
> > >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:52:04 -0800
> > >
> > >
> > >Good Morning!
> > >
> > > The following is from another list  --  strictly FYI:::::::
> > >
> > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > >
> > >Subject: Re: PRC 1600 Possibly Being A Baltimore Car
> > >
> > > The Board of Directors of The Baltimore Transit Company authorized an
> > >order for
> > >one sample post war all-electric car from The St.Louis Car Company in
> > >September
> > >of 1944.   I quote from "The Best Way To Go - The History Of The
>Baltimore
> > >Transit Company" by Fr. Kevin A. Mueller,  "As late as September 5, 
>1944,
> > >Bancroft Hill (BTC's President) must have had streetcars in mind for 
>the
> > >post
> > >war rehabilitation of the system because he requested and received
> > >permission
> > >from the board of directors to purchase one PCC car from the St. Louis
>Car
> > >Company.   The BTC wanted to acquire the SLCC PCC to try out a new
>braking
> > >system that had been developed on the car."   (The order for the 100
> > >Pullman
> > >cars had been authorized earlier on May 16, 1944.)   The St. Louis car
>was
> > >never
> > >delivered and suspect has it that the car was substantially built and
>then
> > >offered to PRC at a special deal when the now NCL led BTC cancelled the
> > >order.
> > >This parallels the Pullman cars that were on their way towards
> > >construction, and
> > >then offered at special prices to other Companies.
> > >
> > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > >
> > >--
> > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > >
> > >James B. Holland
> > >
> > >Holland  Electric  Railway  Operation.......
> > >......"O"--Scale  St.-Petersburg Trams Company Trolleycars  AND...
>-- Trailing quotes stripped by Listar --
>
>


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