[PRCo] Re: PCC in Holland

[John Swindler]

I was under impression that Pittsburgh ran their PCC cars fairly fast.  Then 
I visited The Hague and found out what the real performace capability was of 
a PCC car.

By the way, I owe you and Jack May thanks for steering my horizons beyond 
North America.

John


>From: "John F Bromley" <johnfbromley at home.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCC in Holland
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:57:17 -0400
>
>
>Some of the HTM 3000s run on older trucks, some on new (both groups in 
>solid
>blocks).  When riding the cars you can't tell the difference, especially on
>the 8 line once it hits the right of way south of Scheveningen.   Almost
>dead silent.
>
>JFB
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fred W. Schneider III" <fschnei at supernet.com>
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:53 AM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCC in Holland
>
>
> >
> > Lodging and meals in Tatra territory can be much cheaper than in western
> > Europe....
> >
> > John Swindler wrote:
> > >
> > > >John F Bromley replied
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >There are no Tatras in the Hague.  Their PCC articulated cars (they 
>all
> > > >have standard PCC trucks and controls) were built by BN (Bombardier
>now),
> > > >as were the original PCCs.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Didn't the 3000 series in The Hague use parts salvaged from 1100, 1200
>and
> > > 1300 series cars, such as trucks and motors?  Sort of along the lines 
>of
> > > what CTA did to create the 6000 series PCC rapid transit cars (but not
> > > 6000-6199 which were all new material).  The controls on the 3000 may 
>be
>new
> > > (solid-state?), but sure does look like old B-2 or B-3 trucks
>underneath.
> > >
> > > Instead of Holland, those suffering from PCC withdrawal might consider
> > > Belgium.  Greatly enjoyed riding 4-axle PCC cars to get about Ghent 
>and
> > > Antwerp last month. (and when was the last time anyone on this list 
>rode
>a
> > > PCC streetcar to Hoboken?)  Not so impressed with  articulated PCC 
>cars
>in
> > > Brussels.  By the way, air fare is about the same from northeast, but 
>it
>was
> > > considerably cheaper for lodging and to travel about Belgium as 
>compared
> > > with California.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: <AProchek at aol.com>
> > > >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:38 AM
> > > >Subject: [PRCo] PCC in Holland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I was in The Hauge this week (they still have an extensive 
>streetcar
> > > >system)
> > > > > and a PCC went by.... it was called the "Party Trolley" or "Party
>Tram"
> > > >and
> > > > > done up in a triple treat/Mod desire kind of scheme.  This one 
>must
>have
> > > >been
> > > > > a special charter streetcar as all the other streetcars I saw were
>three
> > > >unit
> > > > > Tatras.  It looked remarkably unmolested except for the pantograph 
>-
>a
> > > >stock
> > > > > post war all-electric.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those of you missing Pittsburgh Railways system may find Holland's
> > > >strangely
> > > > > familiar, except for the Tatras.  Unlike the Light Rail system, 
>they
> > > >seem
> > > >to
> > > > > feel that a little grass between the rails adds to the charm (in
>fact,
> > > >in
> > > >the
> > > > > private right of ways its nothing but grass and rails) and the 
>line
> > > >poles
> > > >are
> > > > > relatively small, painted olive which blends into the 
>surroundings.
> > > >minimal
> > > > > overhead clutter. nice.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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