[PRCo] Re: Headways Route 12 versus Route 9

[Edward H. Lybarger]

I just took a quick peek at the route cards for Route 12.  The records quit
in March of 1943, but there was always a city loop involved, with one car on
a 60-minute headway.  During the Depression it ran only during peak hours.
Prior to the abandonment of the Harmony Route, Route 12 went all the way to
the City Line, but was shortened probably to eliminate track maintenance on
a low-volume stretch of line.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:49 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Headways Route 12 versus Route 9




It's whatever Pittsburgh Railways said it was.

R.D. George, Chief Analyst, PRC, submitted "Route 9 Charles Street Shuttle
operating results, 1950" as part of Route 9 abandonment petition.

I didn't see any referece to Route 12 being termed a shuttle route, nor
having once been a shuttle route.

John




>From: "Fred W. Schneider III" <fschnei at supernet.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Headways Route 12 versus Route 9
>Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:11:41 -0400
>
>
>So what is a shuttle anyway?  Is it a line that doesn't go downtown?  If
>it loops on the northside, does that make it a non-shuttle?  How short
>does it have to be?  Was 62 Trafford a shuttle because it didn't go
>downtown Pittsburgh but only went to East Pittsburgh (or was East
>Pittsburgh a downtown)??  And what is the difference between SHUTTLE and
>TRANSFER?  Does a TRANSFER connect two other routes?  Like 32 P&LE
>TRANSFER connected the Smithfield Street and Point Bridge lines?  Then
>that must make 62 E LIBERTY-62nd ST also a TRANSFER because it connected
>the Highland and Butler Street lines?  And does anyone really want to
>argue?
>
>Jim Holland wrote:
> >
> > > John Swindler wrote:
> >
> > > Must be different route 12???
> >
> > > Route 12 Evergreen was not a shuttle route between East Street and
>Harpen
> > > St./Evergreen Rd.  It was a through route to Penn Ave. and Seventh
>Ave.
> > > using double end equipment.  At least according to the PUC abandonment
> > > docket. (help - anyone have access to public timetable??? information
>from
> > > earlier days???)
> >
> >         I was under the  *impression*  that, in the latter days, the
>12-line
> > was extended downtown only in the rush hours and was a shuttle at other
> > times.
> >         One of the videos, possibly TGM, shows a 12 line car on the
>North Side
> > or downtown with a temporary destination sign - black letters on white!
> > And yes, double-ender!
> >
> > --
> > James B. Holland
> >
> >         Pittsburgh  Railways  Company  (PRCo),   1930  --  1950
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>

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