[PRCo] Re: Headways Route 12 versus Route 9

[John Swindler]

It's whatever Pittsburgh Railways said it was.

R.D. George, Chief Analyst, PRC, submitted "Route 9 Charles Street Shuttle 
operating results, 1950" as part of Route 9 abandonment petition.

I didn't see any referece to Route 12 being termed a shuttle route, nor 
having once been a shuttle route.

John




>From: "Fred W. Schneider III" <fschnei at supernet.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Headways Route 12 versus Route 9
>Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:11:41 -0400
>
>
>So what is a shuttle anyway?  Is it a line that doesn't go downtown?  If
>it loops on the northside, does that make it a non-shuttle?  How short
>does it have to be?  Was 62 Trafford a shuttle because it didn't go
>downtown Pittsburgh but only went to East Pittsburgh (or was East
>Pittsburgh a downtown)??  And what is the difference between SHUTTLE and
>TRANSFER?  Does a TRANSFER connect two other routes?  Like 32 P&LE
>TRANSFER connected the Smithfield Street and Point Bridge lines?  Then
>that must make 62 E LIBERTY-62nd ST also a TRANSFER because it connected
>the Highland and Butler Street lines?  And does anyone really want to
>argue?
>
>Jim Holland wrote:
> >
> > > John Swindler wrote:
> >
> > > Must be different route 12???
> >
> > > Route 12 Evergreen was not a shuttle route between East Street and 
>Harpen
> > > St./Evergreen Rd.  It was a through route to Penn Ave. and Seventh 
>Ave.
> > > using double end equipment.  At least according to the PUC abandonment
> > > docket. (help - anyone have access to public timetable??? information 
>from
> > > earlier days???)
> >
> >         I was under the  *impression*  that, in the latter days, the 
>12-line
> > was extended downtown only in the rush hours and was a shuttle at other
> > times.
> >         One of the videos, possibly TGM, shows a 12 line car on the 
>North Side
> > or downtown with a temporary destination sign - black letters on white!
> > And yes, double-ender!
> >
> > --
> > James B. Holland
> >
> >         Pittsburgh  Railways  Company  (PRCo),   1930  --  1950
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