[PRCo] Re: Auctioned PCCs

[Harold Geissenheimer]

Greetings to John and every one else.

Yes, the army car came after I went to Chicago.

About the bread loaf colors.  They were the product of the design firm
Peter Muller Monk and every one liked them.  The red, oramge or yellow
were very strong colors.  The advertising came later, not part of the
original plans.  As did 1776, the tour trolley, the Castle Shannon green
and other mixed colors.  The Mod trolley was part of the original plan
however.  It was the result of a sketch by one of the children of one
of the Peter Muller Monk staff.

The first of the LRV front end cars had the colors of Dusseldorf which were
on the first artic bus demostrator.  This was sold to Equibank because
they had a red logo that just fit.

Bus1111 was sold to Channel 11 as the "ones to watch".  Neither Channel
11 or Equibank had a real choice.  Kip, the Winston advt man, just told
them that Harold did this for them.

It was fun.  Kip and Ken Husson, the maintenance mgr made this all
possible.  And of course John Mauro was a very understanding and
good leader.

Harold Geissenheimer

The Green & White for the Parkdale Savings and Loan was done just for
them.  They also had 5 or 10 buses (with a slanted white area).  They had
their name on the roof.  The Green & White was their colors.

John Swindler wrote:

> Should wait for Harold's reply, but was under impression that the camouflage
> car appeared after he went to Chicago Transit Authority.
>
> Hope he can refresh my memory about a comment along lines that the mod
> "bread loaf" paint scheme allowed PAT to 'sell' exterior car advertising,
> and only the white section between front and center doors needed to be
> painted - and later repainted.  And how about the Pennvale bank ad on the
> roof of a bus.
>
> John
>
> (p.s. yes, Harold, those of us in Harrisburg really were paying attention to
> what you were doing for transit in Pittsburgh.)
>
> >From: "Fred W. Schneider III" <fschnei at supernet.com>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Auctioned PCCs
> >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:09:16 -0400
> >
> >
> >Harold:
> >
> >Now that we've attracted the attention of the Chief ...
> >
> >In one of these notes you were quote by John Swindler claiming that the
> >rear of 1776 was too dark ... it was a safety problem.
> >
> >So tell me please...
> >
> >Who agreed to placing an army camouflage car out on the interurbans?  I
> >can only imagine the reaction from the person who ran into.  "Yes
> >Officer.  I know how big it is.  But I couldn't see it."
> >
> >Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >Harold Geissenheimer wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings to all
> > >
> > > I have enjoyed reading your various comments about what to
> > > paint the Muni ex-Pgh PCC cars.
> > >
> > > Having been there, let me give my preferences (Not in order of
> >preference)
> > >
> > > -  A PRC Red & White front car.  Kenosha has one and it
> > >     has been well received.
> > > -  The Red, White and Blue 1776.
> > > -  Any of the three "Bread loaf" paint jobs (Orange, red or yellow with
> >white).
> > >     This paint job really returned the PCC to the limelight.
> > > -   The multi-color Mod Trolley.  Always well received.
> > > -   The original red applied to the 4000's.
> > > -   The Jolly Trolley:  A put down to John Dameron's Trolley Jolly.
> > >
> > > I would not prefer the final 4000 colors copied from the LRT
> > > or the PAT Grey.  This was merely an adaption of the bus paint
> > > implemented by PAT.  Looked OK on New Look buses, was
> > > poor on Old Look buses or the PCC's.
> > >
> > > Colors are all in the mind of the viewer.  The last two mentioned
> > > above do not represent Pittsburgh well in my opinion.
> > >
> > > Best wishes to all.
> > >
> > > Harold Geissenheimer
> > >
> > > John Swindler wrote:
> > >
> > > > PAT 1776 was originally PRC 1616.  It was my favorite car (Hey, Jim,
> >when
> > > > will this series be available from St. P.???) Why?  First time let
> >loose on
> > > > a PERC fantrip was June 1957 using 1616, which supposedly had
> >recently been
> > > > released by Homewood with a white front.   We actually ran ahead of
> >time,
> > > > (charter schedule was based on low floor experience) and made detour
> >to
> > > > Kennywood Park.
> > > >
> > > > PAT 1776 was the only car to receive the red-white-blue "Spirit of 76'
> >paint
> > > > scheme.  As originally released by Tunnel Carhouse, did not have stars
> >above
> > > > window, but heard HHG make comment that rear of car was too dark. The
> >large
> > > > white stars could be considered a safety improvement.  (there are lots
> >of
> > > > idiots in the world with poor eyesight and a drivers license.)
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > >From: "John F Bromley" <johnfbromley at home.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > > >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > > >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Auctioned PCCs
> > > > >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:20:01 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >1788 II  and 1791 II were patriotics, although neither was identical
> >to
> > > > >1776
> > > > >II.  1753 was never in a similar scheme.  I have pix of all.
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: <Macmarka at cs.com>
> > > > >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:10 PM
> > > > >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Auctioned PCCs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wasn't 1776 actually 1776II, a refurbished 1600 series car?
> >Correct me
> > > > >if
> > > > > > I'm wrong. I believe PAT had  another(1753?) that was done just
> >like
> > > > >1776II.
> > > > > > Anyway, Muni was very receptive on my suggestion of Mod Desire. I
> >just
> > > > >didn't
> > > > > > have a picture to send them. I gave them a couple websites to look
> >at so
> > > > >who
> > > > > > knows?  I like the red, white and blue idea better. PAT supposedly
> >had
> > > > >three
> > > > > > cars painted this way. Can anyone remember which cars were painted
> >this
> > > > >way.
> > > > > > 1776II was one. Was 1753 another?
> > > > > >
> > > > >Mark
> > > > > > A. McGuire
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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