[PRCo] Re: PITTSBURGH PCC ROLLSIGNS

[John F Bromley]

AS FAR AS I KNOW, DORMONT JUNCTION WAS AT WEST LIBERTY AV WHERE 42 CAME ON,
WHILE THE SOUTH END O F PALM GARDEN IS DAWN AV JUNCTION.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: PITTSBURGH PCC ROLLSIGNS


>
>
> >Fred Schneider mentioned:
> >
> >There were a wide variety of owl routes, and also combinations that took
> >place after abandonment of some routes ... such as the paving of West
> >Liberty Avenue between Brookline Blvd. and Dormont Junction lead to 42/38
> >as a regular route,
>
>
> The repaving was between Brookline Jct. (rj.  W. Liberty Ave. and
Brookline
> Blvd) and Dormont Wye.
>
> Dormont Jct. was at the south end of Palm Garden trestle where 42 line
> branched off from 38 and 39 line.
>
>
> >diminished patronage in the 1950s lead to a 6/13 owl (later full time
under
> >PAT) to eliminate the redundancy of having both 13 and 15 running on
> >California Avenue.
>
> In the 1950s it was a 6/15 owl car (or at least off-peak).  It was changed
> to 6/13 circa 1960, and then 6/14 after route truncated to Avalon Loop in
> early 1960s.
>
>
> >I don't have a PAT map handy, but might 5th and Craig be a Craft
> Avenue barn or a Duquesne Gardens sign?
> >
>
>
> 5th & Craig was near where the Stadium-Forbes Field cars were stored until
> after a ball game.  There was double track in an 'alley' or private street
> between Neville and Craig.  In 'my day', it was a high rise apartment, but
> was formerly the Duquesne Gardens (how many remember the Pittsburgh
Hornets
> hockey team??) and originally the car barn for one of the independents.
>
> Craft Ave. barn was at the other end of Oakland.  Halket St. was the time
> point (access track between Forbes and Fifth) for Craft Ave.  Hmmmmm.
Halket
> St. time point may apply to Fifth Ave. cars only.
>
> I don't recall ever seeing a 54 FIFTH and CRAIG ONLY destination sign.
> Perhaps that goes back to low-floor days.  In the early 1960s, the
employee
> schedules for STADIUM-FORBES FIELD cars were identified as route 79 SHADY.
>
>
> >I would be very suspicious of anything on any car used for a fantrip
> >because railfan created signs were often left behind after the trips,
> >allowing at least one member of this list to run cars signed for Gotham
> >City via Bat Cave in revenue service.  Remember that 5432 was the last
> >active low floor (as the traffic paint car), and it was used for at least
> >one fantrip.
> >
> >How come no one has asked why the only surviving  car with a number
> >descending of single digits was chosen for the traffic paint car....
>
>
> It wasn't a choice of 1 out of a thousand; 5432 was selected from the ten
> remaining low floor cars still on the property after the Homewood fire.
> Check 'Headlights'.  After all, it was being put together in Pittsburgh at
> that time.
>
> And yes, your right, Fred, about being very suspicious of some of the
signs
> that appeared on fantrip cars.  It seemed that just about every fantrip in
> early 1960s involved a switch of the front destination sign as initial
> preparation.  Which means that just about every photo that everyone has of
a
> Pittsburgh Rys. fantrip car from early 1960s features a front destination
> sign from someone's private collection.
>
> John S.
>
>
>
>
> >There would have beenonly two other such cars four digit numbers: 4321,
and
> >3210.  Hmm ... if SPTC ever gets to the single door Jones car, I think I
> >might by that one in maroon paint.  Maybe I could also buy a PCC numbered
> >1234.
> >
> >Macmarka at cs.com wrote:
> >
> > >   Yet another variation would be 19-Western-Woods Run. Just ran across
> >another photo showing car 5432 at Ingram CH sporting the sign 54-Fifth
and
> >Craig St. Only. And I know I'm a little behind all you seasoned veterans,
> >but I was totally unaware of the combined  44/48 Knoxville-Arlington
until
> >I saw one of your photos John.  It would be interesting to see such a
list
> >if one were available.                        Mark Mc  (my tab key just
> >decided to
> > > quit on me)
>
>
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