[PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15

[John Swindler]

>John F Bromley replied:
>
>The photo of the 19 WESTERN-BRIGHTON says exactly that, altho' officially 
>it was probably 19/6.

Thanks, John.  So much for consistency.  Never saw this route in service, as 
was not allowed out at night in that era.


>
>The 5432 sign with 58 GREENFIELD (SHORT) was a legitimate Jones car sign, 
>not fluffed for the fantrip.


Again, not surprised, except that this sign is on a single end car.  That is 
a surprise.  However, perhaps a standardized low-floor roll sign for 
Glenwood Car Barn.  Somewhere in past year saw a mention of a short-turn on 
Greenfield, but clueless as to where (I saw the reference).

>From a mid-1920s Pittsburgh map, route 58 was single track on Greenfield 
between Winterburn and Graphic.  Winterburn might have been the cutback 
switch for Greenfield Short.  Just speculation.  There's a large RC school 
nearby.  Maybe the sign was used for school trippers??  Again, just 
guessing.

John S.



----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:26 AM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15
>
>
> >
> >
> > >John F Bromley mentioned:
> > >
> > >Thanks Jim, very interesting.  I expect 6/15 and 8 ran separately to
> > >Keating and looped there.
> > >
> > >Two of Volkmer's views show a 27/30 CARNEGIE-CRAFTON sign, one on a
> > >fantrip, the other a yard scene.  Probably used by 27 pull-ins.  I also
> > >have the 19 WESTERN-BRIGHTON sign (not, you'll note, Brighton ROAD).
> > >
> >
> >
> > 19 Western-Brighton was a night car.  I first saw this mentioned in the
> > public timetable, circa 1959/60.  (wasn't it 6/19???? I don't recall
> > off-hand)
> >
> > Would suspect that 27/30 MIGHT also fit into the night car category.  
>But
> > west end went just prior to my being let loose to roam about Pittsburgh
>with
> > Sunday-Holiday pass, so never collected any west end schedules.
> >
> >
> > >I've seen 88 FRANKSTOWN SHORT, very common and used in peaks if not at
> > >other times.   I've also seen 58 GREENFIELD (SHORT) WITH the brackets,
> > >unlike the 88 sign, but only on a Jones car - 5432 had this sign up in 
>a
> > >view from the big fan trip on September 9, 1956.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes, Frankstown Short was Homewood Shops, for all practical purposes.
> >
> > Another one was 76-HAMILTON which terminated in Wilkinsburg, while
> > 76-HAMILTON JANE ST. was extended to Jane St. loop (which sort of 
>wasn't)
> > near Edgewood.
> >
> > As for the 58 GREENFIELD SHORT, could have been a railfan production, or
> > could have been a route used by double-end cars in years gone by.  There
>was
> > a crossover at one time on Greenfield Ave.  (just can't recall where I 
>saw
> > this short-turn previously mentioned)
> >
> > Also, I have some slides of PCC cars with 86 WILKINSBURG via SUBWAY
>EXPRESS.
> >   But these were railfan productions, as was 2 GRANDMA'S HOUSE via THE
> > WOODS. (which I heard about, but never saw)
> >
> >
> > >There must be others beyond the common stuff like 42/38, 77/54, 34/31,
> > >6/13, 6/14.  Who's got some?
> > >
> > >.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jim Holland" <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> > >To: "-->- PRCo -- WP -- JTC -<--" <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 1:29 AM
> > >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi John!
> > > >
> > > > Here is the information which shows that 6/15 did work as an owl at
>one
> > >time  --  last March onlist.    The part about the 6/15 is the last
> > > > several paragraphs.
> > > >
> > > > But the discussions concerning this schedule show a tremendous 
>variety
> > >-- Trailing quotes stripped by Listar --
> >
> >
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