[PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15

[John F Bromley]

Seems reasonable on the 58S speculation (barn sign and turnback).  There was
a single track section at Winterburn right to the end so likely reversed
there,

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 1:09 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15


>
>
> >John F Bromley replied:
> >
> >The photo of the 19 WESTERN-BRIGHTON says exactly that, altho' officially
> >it was probably 19/6.
>
> Thanks, John.  So much for consistency.  Never saw this route in service,
as
> was not allowed out at night in that era.
>
>
> >
> >The 5432 sign with 58 GREENFIELD (SHORT) was a legitimate Jones car sign,
> >not fluffed for the fantrip.
>
>
> Again, not surprised, except that this sign is on a single end car.  That
is
> a surprise.  However, perhaps a standardized low-floor roll sign for
> Glenwood Car Barn.  Somewhere in past year saw a mention of a short-turn
on
> Greenfield, but clueless as to where (I saw the reference).
>
> From a mid-1920s Pittsburgh map, route 58 was single track on Greenfield
> between Winterburn and Graphic.  Winterburn might have been the cutback
> switch for Greenfield Short.  Just speculation.  There's a large RC school
> nearby.  Maybe the sign was used for school trippers??  Again, just
> guessing.
>
> John S.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:26 AM
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >John F Bromley mentioned:
> > > >
> > > >Thanks Jim, very interesting.  I expect 6/15 and 8 ran separately to
> > > >Keating and looped there.
> > > >
> > > >Two of Volkmer's views show a 27/30 CARNEGIE-CRAFTON sign, one on a
> > > >fantrip, the other a yard scene.  Probably used by 27 pull-ins.  I
also
> > > >have the 19 WESTERN-BRIGHTON sign (not, you'll note, Brighton ROAD).
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 19 Western-Brighton was a night car.  I first saw this mentioned in
the
> > > public timetable, circa 1959/60.  (wasn't it 6/19???? I don't recall
> > > off-hand)
> > >
> > > Would suspect that 27/30 MIGHT also fit into the night car category.
> >But
> > > west end went just prior to my being let loose to roam about
Pittsburgh
> >with
> > > Sunday-Holiday pass, so never collected any west end schedules.
> > >
> > >
> > > >I've seen 88 FRANKSTOWN SHORT, very common and used in peaks if not
at
> > > >other times.   I've also seen 58 GREENFIELD (SHORT) WITH the
brackets,
> > > >unlike the 88 sign, but only on a Jones car - 5432 had this sign up
in
> >a
> > > >view from the big fan trip on September 9, 1956.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, Frankstown Short was Homewood Shops, for all practical purposes.
> > >
> > > Another one was 76-HAMILTON which terminated in Wilkinsburg, while
> > > 76-HAMILTON JANE ST. was extended to Jane St. loop (which sort of
> >wasn't)
> > > near Edgewood.
> > >
> > > As for the 58 GREENFIELD SHORT, could have been a railfan production,
or
> > > could have been a route used by double-end cars in years gone by.
There
> >was
> > > a crossover at one time on Greenfield Ave.  (just can't recall where I
> >saw
> > > this short-turn previously mentioned)
> > >
> > > Also, I have some slides of PCC cars with 86 WILKINSBURG via SUBWAY
> >EXPRESS.
> > >   But these were railfan productions, as was 2 GRANDMA'S HOUSE via THE
> > > WOODS. (which I heard about, but never saw)
> > >
> > >
> > > >There must be others beyond the common stuff like 42/38, 77/54,
34/31,
> > > >6/13, 6/14.  Who's got some?
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jim Holland" <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> > > >To: "-->- PRCo -- WP -- JTC -<--" <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 1:29 AM
> > > >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi John!
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the information which shows that 6/15 did work as an owl
at
> >one
> > > >time  --  last March onlist.    The part about the 6/15 is the last
> > > > > several paragraphs.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the discussions concerning this schedule show a tremendous
> >variety
> > > >-- Trailing quotes stripped by Listar --
> > >
> > >
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