[PRCo] 3-car fantrip from Pittsburgh to PRMA Washington

[Jim Holland]

Good Morning!

	Here are forwards from October--2001 when we discussed this before.   
This quotes both PTM  *Trolley--Fare**  and  *ERA--Headlights*  on moves
of the equipment and what went where and when.    Much confusion with
4393 sent down to County Home several hours after the 3-car PERC
excursion to bring members back to Pgh.

	The condition of WP-832 at PTM has also been discussed here before in
detail;  might check the archives for those messages.    I have already
saved my PTM file to ASCII files so if I find the references to WP-832,
they will contain  FULL  Headers and I shall Not clean them out for a
post  --  TOO  much work.    I work at making clean posts, but Not going
to clean out all those headers!

Jim

  Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3-car fantrip from
		 Pittsburgh to PRMA Washington
     Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:06:04 -0400 (EDT)
     From: Derrick J Brashear <shadow at dementia.org>
 Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
       To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Jim Holland wrote:

>       We are talking two different trips above::
> 1)--May--10,--1953 move of West Penn 832 from Charleroi to Ingram,
>	 which John rode when he was Seven--Years--Old and

> 2)--Feb--07--1954 when the three Museum Cars were moved from Ingram
>	 to County Home siding under their own power.

>       John does not claim to be on the second trip, but there is someone 
> *near*  his age on the second trip as can be seen in one of the photos I
> sent to Derrick asking him to post.   Those 4-photos are:::::::

available here:
http://trolley.dementia.org/holland/


     Subject: Re: [PRCo] Re: 3-car fantrip from
		Pittsburgh to PRMA Washington
        Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:49:23 -0700
        From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
          To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  References: 1

Good Morning!!

> ROGER Jenkins wrote:

> GREAT SHOTS JIM !!  Classic bridge shot.  Maybe the #3756 shot was back
> where it was sitting in the bridge shot. Was there a curve  in track
> before the bridge ?  That little pass. shelter was still there in 1960 .
> The other shot of #3756 at Soldiers Home shows other cars behind it
> [left rear ]  Which ones were those ?

1954.02.07 >>3756<< PRCo Move museum cars Ingram to County Home
        Museum site near Arden.  4393 used for return trip to
        Pittsburgh.  (Washington Interurban truncated at 
        Drake 1953.08.29.)
1954.02.07 >>M-1<< PRCo Move museum cars Ingram to County Home 
        Museum site near Arden.  4393 used for return trip to 
        Pittsburgh.  (Washington Interurban truncated at 
        Drake 1953.08.29.)
1954.02.07 >>832<< PRCo Move museum cars Ingram to County Home 
        Museum site near Arden.  4393 used for return trip to 
        Pittsburgh.  (Washington Interurban truncated at 
        Drake 1953.08.29.)
1954.02.07 >>4393<< PRCo Move museum cars Ingram to County Home 
        Museum site near Arden.  4393 used for return trip to 
        Pittsburgh.  (Washington Interurban truncated at 
        Drake 1953.08.29.)

     Subject: Re: [PRCo] Re: 3-car fantrip from
		Pittsburgh to PRMA Washington
        Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:34:40 -0700
        From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
          To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  References: 1 , 2

Good Morning!!

> Bob Rathke wrote:

> Jim,

> I have a copy of this photo from Bill Gwinn.

        You may have a copy of a  *similar*  photo, but not this
particular one.(:->)   This is  NOT  a Bill Gwinn photo.

> The detailed caption says that
> 832 is on the bridge, followed by 4393 (your e-mail identidfies this car as
> 3756).

        .......AND  it is 3756,  NOT 4393 which car did not make the
trip with 3756 and M1.   The 3-Museum cars made it under their own power
to the Museum site at County Home siding  --  West--Penn--832, 
PRCo--3756,  PRCo--M1.   PRCo--4393  was sent down later in the day to
pick up the crew and return them to Pgh.

        I have a whole sequence of photos and it only shows the
3--Museum Cars (WP--832;  PRCo--3756;  PRCo--M1) operating together  -- 
and in the order listed in parenthesis  --  at SHJ, Overbrook, Castle
Shannon, Washington Jct, Drake, Thompsonville, Richfol, Houston, and
County Home.

        Once at the Museum site, there was some fun and games as various
people operated  WP--832  to Tylerdale and back.   The members also
boarded up the cars to protect the windows and other vital parts, so it
took some time to get things done.   They didn't need another paid PRCo
employee sitting around on 4393 waiting to return!!(:->)   Additionally,
I have a larger photo, 8X12, which clearly shows the car waiting to
enter the trestle as 3756!!

        From  Sept--Oct--1996--*Trolley--Fare*  (pg.10) an article by
Dwight Long details this particular trip and the following are excerpts
from that article:::::::

        ".......In actuality the first three cars, WP-832, 3756, and
M-1, arrived a year later, on February 7, 1954.  It would have been a
bit difficult to have commenced storage in February 1953, as the
interurban line to Washington was still in revenue operation."
        ".......M-1, being judged of questionable mechanical ability by
PRCo officials, was towed by 3756 as far as Drake, but ran by itself the
rest of the way to County Home.   The trip was rather different than
other PERC fantrips heretofore, as 3756 was filled with metal siding
which was applied to the cars later in the day and which provided the
only modicum of protection......."

        This has all been detailed here before, including some of the
quotes above, when this topic was discussed before.

> I always thought that the 4393 number on the photo was a typo, and
> that the number should have been 4398.  If 4393 made the trip to Arden on
> 2/7/54, and then back to Pittsburgh, when did 4398 go to Arden?

        No  --  4398 was purchased by PERC or PRMA later - 1956.04.05.  
Don't have the actual date of the move to Arden  --  think it was
several years later.

        Didn't you detail that 4398 was used on the NMRA charter in 1956
or thereabouts??

     Subject: Re: [PRCo] Re: 3-car fantrip from
		 Pittsburgh to PRMA Washington
        Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:41:55 -0700
        From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
          To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  References: 1 , 2 , 3

Good Morning!!

BOB::   Didn't you mention that the trip was covered in the March--1954
*ERA--Headlights?*

        Full page of coverage on pg.3 with 8--photos and the text
continues onto pg.8.   The last para--giraffe of the text reads, and I
quote:::::::

        "This last minute work at the museum site resulted in the return
trip being made (as usual) later than scheduled, but no one seemed to
mind (except the poor substation operator, who was sure we had gotten
into some kind of trouble and wanted to go home for dinner,) because the
ride back was a fast one on PRCo double-ender 4393, last such car used
in regular service, on Rt.-12-Evergreen on December 6.  This car was
brought out of storage at Keating car house for the purpose and had
followed the other cars out from Pittsburgh by several hours in order to
reduce the demand for power at the outer end of the line."

        This is the conclusive evidence that 4393 did not make the trip
with the 3--Museum cars.

        The Thompsonville substation had been energized for this
particular day and move and was about 11--miles from County Home with
broken rail bonds etc.

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James B. Holland

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