Sort of like Den Haag's 1101-1240s (re MTA P/W design). And, the tops opened, but only on the door side. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Schneider" <fschnei at supernet.com> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: [PRCo] Re: Morning Sun Pa #4