[PRCo] Re: 84 Larimer/96 East Liberty

[John Swindler]

Actually, Fred, anyone with access to the internet has a current bus map 
available.  Try this

http://www.portauthority.org/ride/maps/94A.gif


You say you also want to know current service levels?  Try this

http://www.portauthority.org/ride/pdfs/94A.pdf


As for Centre Avenue, try this:

http://www.portauthority.org/ride/maps/81B.gif


As a note in passing, these map styles go back to when Harold G. was in 
planning at PAT.


As for system map, the printed July 1995 PAT map is fairly good, but the one 
available at PAT's website is an embarrassment.  Looks like some consultant 
tried to make a PAT system map using the London Transport underground style. 
   That's not 'cutting edge' technology, that's ...  well, best not go 
there.

John



>From: Fred Schneider <fschnei at supernet.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: 84 Larimer/96 East Liberty
>Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:26:47 -0500
>
>Matt:
>In my lifetime, yes, 96 ran from 62nd and Butler up through Morningside, 
>Negley,
>Highland, and then looped on the Larimer - Paulson St. loop.
>
>I have no current bus map handy but I imagine so.   This room is so deep in 
>debris
>that a robber would run out of fear of an earthquake.   There is at least 
>one
>somewhere in this house.  You probably want to direct that question to John 
>Swindler
>because odds are he was one right in his desk at work. The 96 rail line, by 
>the way,
>earlier ran from downtown to East Liberty via Butler Street.
>
>Remember too that the route cards end about 1943 and there is no indication 
>what PRC
>ran in the final years of the war.  For all I know, 96 Butler St. and 84 
>Larimer
>could have been reactivated.  Furthermore, Pittsburgh, like many other 
>cities, had
>more impressive transit patronage in the first year after the war than they 
>did in
>1945 owing to the return of servicemen who were unable to buy automobiles.  
>In most
>large cities the patronage drop began in 1947.
>
>
>
>Matt Barry wrote:
>
> > So, I take it the Larimer route was really an altered version of 82
> > Lincoln, that is, instead of following the 82 up  Lincoln Avenue, it
> > turned off onto Larimer Avenue, to Paulson?
> >
> > The route that regularly worked the Larimer Ave. - Paulson Street area
> > was route 96, correct?    That route of course, when it left the Larimer
> > area, went up Penn Ave. to Negley, to Stanton, thru Morningside, to
> > Butler Street ( a scenic route, at the top of Morningside side and then
> > along the Allegheny River on Butler St.).     Does anyone know if this
> > route was replaced as it was, by bus?
> >
> > I seem to recall that in the early 60's, for a short time, there was a
> > thru bus to Morningside that ran along Butler Street to town.
> >
> > Fred Schneider wrote:
> >
> > >Regarding 84 Larimer ...
> > >
> > >The last reference in the route cards was in 1925 at which time it was 
>a
> > >Larimer and Paulson night version of 82 Lincoln.  The card for 84 
>simply said
> > >that revenue is included with 82.  No information was shown for 
>schedules.  And
> > >the 82 card did now show a separate section for night cars.  It may 
>have been
> > >the best kept secret in town.
> > >
> > >If it did have PCC cars, none of us would have been up to photograph 
>them.
> > >
> > >fws
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