[PRCo] Re: South Side Car House

[James B. Holland]

Hi John and Ray!


Yes, the PTM map shows that the Car House  (Thirtieth Street)  was on 
the north side of the street.       The 52 line was single track to 36th 
with a possible double track stub there, according to the PTM map, and 
this stub may have been a siding on the line which continued  --  at one 
time  --  to the 55//56 junction at the Glenwood bridge.       The PTM 
map shows the single track from the outbound track of the 50-line loop.

That's a 1500-series car in the photo and the photo says it is 
1949--1955 so  *Just--Maybe*  it is part of a wye track using trackage 
from the old car house  --  but would expect the PTM map to reflect 
this.       Overhead alignment in the photo  *suggests*  a wye as well. 
      PTM map also shows defunct Sarah street horse car line as well as 
some trackage on Jane street.

The Rohrbeck plan shows a stub track inside the Car House which would 
turn east onto Carson   *possibly*  from that large door to the left of 
the 15xx in the photo.       From the location where the 15xx is sitting 
there was one track turning east and one track turning west with a 
transfer table behind for access to 6-storage tracks.

The wall beside 15xx appears as if part of the building had been razed 
above where 15xx is sitting    ----  O--R    ----    that is  
*Traction__Alley*  as indicated on Rohrbeck's map but if such is the 
case, Rohrbeck does not show track on this street  --  but such track 
could have been added later as Rohrbeck indicates these plans are 
1900--1909.       And if this is Traction Alley then the access tracks 
to the building as mentioned above need to be moved further to our left 
as we view this photo and it does not appear as though 2-tracks could 
come out of one of those doors.

Let's take a time travel and check it out  --  can't discern destination 
sign on the 15.


Jim__Holland


John Swindler wrote:

>
> Looks like it is north side of Carson St. across from the Wickersham 
> Public School. But I remember the 30th St. loop being a clockwise loop 
> on south side of Carson.
>
> Was the carhouse removed for J&L expansion??
>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/maps/showmap.pl?client=maps&image=16v06p09&levels=5&originx=0&originy=0&lastlevel=4&fullheight=6900&fullwidth=9640&level=2&size=1&image.x=74&image.y=163
>
> Looks like double track continued on Carson to Margaret St., and only 
> westbound track retained beyond Margaret (36th St.??) But I have no 
> recollection of any housing east of 30th St. on Carson in 1960s ?????????
>
> I think I need to spend a weekend in Pittsburgh with copies of these 
> old plat maps off of the Univ. of Pgh website. Getting very curious as 
> to the locations of these old car barn sites today. (only been saying 
> this for 2-3 years)
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>> From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at state.pa.us>
>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>> Subject: [PRCo] South Side Car House
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:24 -0500
>>
>> Hello, I came across this picture of what I think maybe PRCo 30th 
>> street Car House or Power House. Can any of you verify what this 
>> Building is? Also, does anyone have a 1940ish track plan for this car 
>> house or route 50 loop.
>>
>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?sid=71176c9eec80a24f0e57e47778387335;xc=1;g=imls;q1=furnace;rgn1=ic_all;size=20;lasttype=boolean;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;subview=detail;cc=accd;entryid=x-msp285.b013.f29.i01;viewid=ACCD2572.TIF;start=1;resnum=2
>>
>> Key words: South Side before Jones & Laughlin Expansion
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ray
>