[PRCo] Re: Interurban PCCs and propulsion performance

[James B. Holland]

Well.........  you know what Karl said!!!!!!!

Don't know if heavier spotting is a function of age  --  you tend to 
indicate that with the T2s having same in their last years.       
Museums may not have brought the cars up to specs.       I had similar 
experience at OERM when I operated 3165  --  narrow gauge All-Electric 
PCC  --  and with just a loop around the yard I didn't get up much 
speed.       Initial spotting produced smooth and comfortable braking 
but it faded quite quickly.       Think I operated one of their Air-Cars 
but honestly don't remember!!!!!!!

Missed riding these LATL cars in service by months.       Joined Uncle 
Sam's Canoe Club  --  son of a gun  --  42-years ago this past 
Monday!!!!!       LATL  PCCs  *were*  to be abandoned end of June 1963, 
but they abandoned early  --  end of March.

May have seen SF for first time in the summer of 1963  --  did so for 
sure in August-1964 as I was on my way to Kodiak, Alaska  --  took train 
to Seattle and flew from there.


Jim



Boris Cefer wrote:

> You must get a schematic diagram of Baby Ten.
>
> My experience with one of ex-Philly PCCs at Seashore was similar, even 
> though the speed at which I released the power pedal was not in excess 
> of 40 mph. Very strong spotting like some of our T2s in their last 
> years of operation. And after the car slowed down, it still felt like 
> the spotting did not want to vanish and was appreciable.
>
> B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James B. Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:53 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interurban PCCs ???
>
>
>> San Francisco didn't have cut-off governors on the PCCs -- We could 
>> really get them rolling inbound downhill in Twin Peaks Tunnel where 
>> we easily had over a 1-mile run -- as long as the power pedal was 
>> depressed that car had power -- strong brake spotting when the power 
>> released!!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> Boris Cefer wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever governors the lower series did have, no doubt it was 
>>> defunct when you rode them in 50s.
>>
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James B. Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:14 AM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interurban PCCs ???
>>>
>>>> Well, Glory__Be!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> We thought slip/slide was something developed with the electronic 
>>>> revolution -- and here the PCCs had it 60-years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever governors were on the lower series Air-Cars - 14s, 15s, 
>>>> 12s - didn't operate the same as on the 16s -- power never shut off 
>>>> on the lower cars and EveryThing was vibrating at speed! M11 took 
>>>> speed extremely well with little vibration, however -- rode a 
>>>> charter out on Library and the power pedal was flat on the floor 
>>>> unless it was absolutely necessary to brake. Very Interesting that 
>>>> the 17 on Library caught up to us at Castle Shannon Inbound -- 
>>>> motorman on the charter thought it would even though we were moving 
>>>> at break neck speed with M11.
>>>