[PRCo] Re: Interurban PCCs and propulsion performance

[Boris Cefer]

The heavy spotting on some old equipment here was possibly a result of
incorrect adjustment, wiring mistake or proper maintenance shortage. Not a
direct result of age.

B

----- Original Message -----
From: "James B. Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:33 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interurban PCCs and propulsion performance


> Well.........  you know what Karl said!!!!!!!
>
> Don't know if heavier spotting is a function of age  --  you tend to
> indicate that with the T2s having same in their last years.
> Museums may not have brought the cars up to specs.       I had similar
> experience at OERM when I operated 3165  --  narrow gauge All-Electric
> PCC  --  and with just a loop around the yard I didn't get up much
> speed.       Initial spotting produced smooth and comfortable braking
> but it faded quite quickly.       Think I operated one of their Air-Cars
> but honestly don't remember!!!!!!!
>
> Missed riding these LATL cars in service by months.       Joined Uncle
> Sam's Canoe Club  --  son of a gun  --  42-years ago this past
> Monday!!!!!       LATL  PCCs  *were*  to be abandoned end of June 1963,
> but they abandoned early  --  end of March.
>
> May have seen SF for first time in the summer of 1963  --  did so for
> sure in August-1964 as I was on my way to Kodiak, Alaska  --  took train
> to Seattle and flew from there.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Boris Cefer wrote:
>
> > You must get a schematic diagram of Baby Ten.
> >
> > My experience with one of ex-Philly PCCs at Seashore was similar, even
> > though the speed at which I released the power pedal was not in excess
> > of 40 mph. Very strong spotting like some of our T2s in their last
> > years of operation. And after the car slowed down, it still felt like
> > the spotting did not want to vanish and was appreciable.
> >
> > B
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James B. Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:53 PM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interurban PCCs ???
> >
> >
> >> San Francisco didn't have cut-off governors on the PCCs -- We could
> >> really get them rolling inbound downhill in Twin Peaks Tunnel where
> >> we easily had over a 1-mile run -- as long as the power pedal was
> >> depressed that car had power -- strong brake spotting when the power
> >> released!!
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >> Boris Cefer wrote:
> >>
> >>> Whatever governors the lower series did have, no doubt it was
> >>> defunct when you rode them in 50s.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> B
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "James B. Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
> >>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:14 AM
> >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interurban PCCs ???
> >>>
> >>>> Well, Glory__Be!!!!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> We thought slip/slide was something developed with the electronic
> >>>> revolution -- and here the PCCs had it 60-years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> Whatever governors were on the lower series Air-Cars - 14s, 15s,
> >>>> 12s - didn't operate the same as on the 16s -- power never shut off
> >>>> on the lower cars and EveryThing was vibrating at speed! M11 took
> >>>> speed extremely well with little vibration, however -- rode a
> >>>> charter out on Library and the power pedal was flat on the floor
> >>>> unless it was absolutely necessary to brake. Very Interesting that
> >>>> the 17 on Library caught up to us at Castle Shannon Inbound --
> >>>> motorman on the charter thought it would even though we were moving
> >>>> at break neck speed with M11.
> >>>
>
>