[PRCo] Re: "Johnstown" trolley at Kenosha

[Boris Cefer]

Or Sarajevo :-D

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Tracie" <ktjosephson at earthlink.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:26 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: "Johnstown" trolley at Kenosha


> Was TCRT one of the cars that came to SHRT from Newark? Or was it one of
the
> cars which went directly from TCRT to SHRT?
>
> I read that the Cleveland PCC at IRM needed extensive steel replacement.
> Again, I'll cc this to Scott Greig to try to get a confirmation about
this.
>
> I would guess that the best place to find a solid American PCC body would
be
> El Paso.... :-)
>
> K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fschnei at supernet.com>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: "Johnstown" trolley at Kenosha
>
>
> > Tell me Herb ...
> >
> > What is the condition of the car?  I saw some of those cars on Shaker
and
> > they looked pretty damn ratty about 1980 or 1981.  I suspect the body
> > steel was pretty rusty under the paint.  I also remember visiting
Toronto
> > in the winter of 1969 and noting that about 2 cars out of 3 were covered
> > in white salt spray ... TTC simply could not wash them fast enough.  And
> > the
> > washing only got the surface salt ... it missed what was thrown up on
the
> > underside of the car and what was deposited in step wells and on the
> > floors.
> >
> > After having seen what BSM / MTA had to do to the Baltimore 7407, what
was
> > done to Pittsburgh 1138 and 1723 and Philly 2723 and what the lads in
> > Brookville did to the Philly cars and finally the "moth eaten" steel on
> > one of the Newark / Twin City cars that is being patched together for
> > Muni, I suspect there was a whole lot of hidden body cancer on those
> > Cleveland
> > cars.   I would expect the body post caps and the ends of the carlines
are
> > probably pretty badly rusted, and that the lower ends of the body posts
> > might be almost non-existent.  When the Baltimore museum car was torn
> > apart, only one body post on the entire left side was not rusted off at
> > the bottom.
> >
> > If you look at Minnesota Transportation Museum's web site, you will get
> > some idea what the TCRT 322 looked like under the skin when it arrived
> > from Shaker Heights.
> >
> > Of course none of this is criticism of the PCC.  Its design life was 20
> > years and I'm talking about the condition of cars that are more than 50
> > years out of the box.
> >
> > Fred III
> >
> > hrbran99 at adelphia.net wrote:
> >
> >> Cleveland Transit System PCC Car 4223:
> >>
> >> Delivered to CTS between June and August, 1946, operated out of
Brooklyn
> >> Station on West 25th Street lines. Ended Cleveland service April 27,
> >> 1953. Shipped to TTC later in 1953. Returned to Cleveland August 15,
1978
> >> for Shaker Rapid service. Was TTC 4648. Was first (lead) car on
"Welcome
> >> Home" run signifying its return to Cleveland rail service. Sold to IRM
> >> 1982.
> >> HerB
> >>
> >> ---- Ken & Tracie <ktjosephson at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> . IRM also has an ex-Cleveland PCC
> >> > (a Pullman, Cleveland Transit System 4223.) I do not know if the
> >> > ex-Cleveland car came directly from the TTC or if it was one of the
> >> > cars
> >> > sent to Shaker Heights from Toronto. I seem to remember reading in
> >> > "Rail and
> >> > Wire" that 4223 was receiving extensive sheet metal replacement.
> >> >
> >> > > K.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> >> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:28 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Is Illinois Ry Museum rebuilding an ex. Cleveland PCC car from CTS
> >> > > via
> >> > > TTC,
> >> > > Shaker?  Or do I have this mixed up with an ex. Kansas City car???
> >> > >
> >> > > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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