[PRCo] Re: Pgh__--__San--Fran__Connection

[Edward H. Lybarger]

I think you and I both got here at the same moment, Jim!

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
Holland Electric Rwy. Op. H.E.R.O. -- Import SPTC 1.48 Models // James
B. Holland
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 7:31 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pgh__--__San--Fran__Connection


Fred Schneider wrote:
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>One might be lead to suggest that the satisfaction in Pittsburgh and
dissatisfaction in San Francisco were subjective in both cases.     The
answer might lie somewhere between the two following statements:
>He designed it here, therefore it is good.   They designed it, therefore it
is not good.
>
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That would be a  'Possible'  explanation but personally  (at this point
in time and without further info)  feel it is not  'Probable'    ----
United RR connection with both properties would tend to make for a
favorable application.       Attitudes then were to get something as
cheaply as possible and  Ready  To  Run and this would fit that
bill.       Seems the topography // system features of more open running
in Pgh. with more gentle hills and extremely closely spaced stops and
very steep grades in SF are what limited or negated success here.


>James B. Holland wrote:
>
>
>>Through the Untied Railroads  (Ed, John, Bill, Don may be able to give us
more historical information)  there was a connection between these two
cities.       This was borne out in home built  #0301  aka  #0401 of the
Market Street Railway, predecessor of the Muni, in that it is a Low-Floor
design of 1915 that used the same trucks as PRCo Low-Floor cars.       Text
from White Front Cars of San Francisco indicates that GE  motors were
sed  --  PRCo contracted with Westinghouse for the small motors.       #0301
was not successful in San Francisco and I think the difference is that SF
has Grades and is Very Short Haul with Very Closely spaced stops while PRCo
has Hills and some grades but less frequent and less closely spaced stops.
Text indicates that the cars were very successful in Pgh.
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>>Five  URLs  below showing photos and text.       You may need to adjust
the size of the scan to make the text legible  --  experimented with this
before sending and it is quite satisfactory.
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>>Jim__Holland
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