[PRCo] Re: Jones Cars

[mtoytrain at bellsouth.net]

  Ed
  Can you supply a picture (or anyone) of the 4350s out of Philly?

  Jerry 
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> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams at adelphia.net>
> Date: 2006/03/12 Sun PM 05:40:46 EST
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Jones Cars
> 
> The 4400s were built on the same order as the 4350s.  Philadelphia Company
> owned BVT, too.
> 
> The design started with the trailers.  P.N. Jones liked them because they
> were faster to load and unload, so he talked his former associates at
> Westinghouse Electric into developing a smaller motor that would fit under
> them.  It became the 514.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
> Holland Electric Rwy. Op. H.E.R.O. -- Import SPTC 1.48 Models // James
> B. Holland
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:20 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Jones Cars
> 
> 
> There is a place in the midwest that had a few of the Jones cars  --
> can't remember off hand  --  have a photo somewhere but even that eludes
> me at the moment.       It was by accident that I came across this fact.
> 
> Beaver Traction used the cars and their numbers were 400--411  --
> believe Beaver purchased them New but they could have come through
> PRCo,; can't remember now  --  these cars came to Pittsburgh as
> 4400--4411 when Beaver didn't need them any more.       ALL  were gone
> by the very early 1940s  (although my notes for scrapping of 4400--4405
> are unreadable  --  maybe Ed has something more definitive.)
> 
> Outside of that, yes, PRCo is the only place the Jones cars operated
> --  That  I  Know  OF!       It was a PRCo design that is Most Correctly
> identified as Low-Floor Car, but Jones of PRCo developed some control
> units used in the cars and possibly contributed to other aspects of the
> design!
> 
> 
> Believe the Low Floor Design started with Trailers to be pulled by the
> High Floor Design    ----
> 
> A200--A299
> 
> A-, B-, & C-, 300--424
> 
> The A's were Pure Trailers;  Bs and Cs each had 2 motors.       Cs had
> K63 control while As and Bs were without.       Controller for shop
> movements etc.       Fred will give more complete details.
> 
> Believe that Trailers  A217,  A242,  A283,  and  A284  were converted to
> Full Fledge Single Cars with Center Doors Only in 1928  --  donut know
> why the conversion when All the other Low Floors were already on the
> property!.       They were re-numbered 4420--4423.
> 
> 4200--4249 and
> 4250--4299
> 
> were Double End  (DE)  and were built in 1914 and 1915.       Don't know
> if their design was the same.
> 
> 4300--4399 were DE and of different design  --  this design was carried
> forward in all the cars.
> 
> 4400--4411 purchased from Beaver  (Beaver also had a number of 3756 Look
> Alikes!)
> 
> 4420--4423  converted from Trailers.
> 
> ALL  the following Single End  (SE)  cars::
> 
> 4700--4799
> 
> 4800--4899
> 
> 4900--4939
> ++   Above two groups listed as the following three groups:::
>              -- 4800--4824 built by Osgood Bradley
>              -- 4825--4864 built by Pressed Steel
>              -- 4865--4939 built by St.Louis Car Company (SLCCo)
> 
> 5000--5099
> 
> 5100--5159
> 
> 5200--5282
> 
> 5400--5464
> 
> 5500--5549
> 
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> mtoytrain at bellsouth.net wrote:
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> 
> > In looking at all my Street car books, I have just realized that
> > Pittsburgh Railways was the only city using the Jones low floor car
> > (Donora type)?      Am I correct on this? Any other Cities?
> >
> > Jerry
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> Jim__Holland
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> I__Like__Ike.......And__PCCs!!
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> down with pantographs ---- UP___WITH___TROLLEYPOLES!!!!!!!
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