[PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to 2/1/07

[John Swindler]

I forgot about Minneapolis, but St. Louis comes to mind.  Also Washington 
National and Chicago Midway.



>From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to 2/1/07
>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:06:36 -0500
>
>Phil Craig and Jack May are the ones with whom to talk on the subject
>of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey's airport properties
>(Newark, Kennedy, LaGuardia).   One of them did tell me two weeks ago
>that the rail fares were set to preserve the parking lots.   But if
>you pay an NJT ticket from Newark to Elizabeth and get off at the
>airport, you avoid the Newark Airport surcharge.
>
>The same reason applies to why the Green Line LRT in Los Angeles was
>never extended into LAX.
>
>There are a surprising number of airports in the U. S. that do have
>decent mass transit service:  Logan in Boston; O'Hare in Chicago;
>Baltimore-Washington with the LRT in the terminal and Amtrak on the
>east side of the property; and, as you said, Philly an exhorbitant
>fare from the airport (but a cheap bus ride); LAX has a bus shuttle
>to the light rail to make it complicated; Cleveland's Hopkins Airport
>has the subway; Atlanta is on MARTA's southern subway line; BART goes
>into the SFO terminal building; Kennedy's expensive people mover
>reaches both the Long Island RR at Jamaica and the A train at Howard
>Beach; Minneapolis actually uses the light rail as the intra-airport
>terminal shuttle; Portland's Tri-Met runs a light rail branch into
>the airport terminal; Seattle should have light rail to SeaTac
>Airport in another two or three years; DART should be serving Dallas
>Fort Worth Airport by 2013 with light rail and does not Toronto now
>have a branch of TTC's subway?     Someone will tell me what I missed.
>
>Most of these facilities never affect airport parking in any way
>because the arriving and departing passengers don't use mass
>transit.   It's the pilots, the cabin crews, the airport staff, the
>McDonald's counter help, the baggage handlers that come to the
>airport on transit and that saves the airport from providing employee
>parking in private areas around the terminal.   You really don't see
>many people on those public transport vehicles going to airports with
>suitcases but still the lobbyists for the parking authorities are
>running scared.
>
>
>On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:43 AM, John Swindler wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It's a six zone trip in Philly.  The soaking of the airline
> > passengers is
> > even more blatent at Newark.  Some have suggested it is to keep the
> > cab
> > drivers happy.  I suspect it is a management decision not to let
> > transit
> > interfere with the parking garage cash flow.
> >
> > And then there is Washington National and the metro station location
> > decisions.
> >
> > The 28X comments are interesting.  Busways may be ok, but the buses
> > still
> > get stuck in rush hour traffic.  Looked at experience with
> > Overbrook LRT vs
> > South busway schedules at city end, then wondered whose decision it
> > was to
> > go with an Airport busway (to use original selling point) rather
> > then light
> > rail.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Joshua Dunfield <joshuad at cs.cmu.edu>
> >> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to
> >> 2/1/07 Date:
> >> Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:43:51 -0500
> >>
> >> Derrick Brashear wrote:
> >>> 28x will at least still take me to Pittsburgh from PIT; To get to
> >> Oakland,
> >>> about 45 minutes. To be fair, the West Busway works ok so to
> >>> downtown
> >> it's
> >>> probably about the same. Compared to Arlanda Express the 28x is a
> >> bargain,
> >>> too. It's probably underpriced.
> >>
> >> IIRC, the West Busway reroute cut all of 2 minutes off the
> >> scheduled time.
> >> But maybe the Parkway West already worked okay?  (OK, the West Busway
> >> almost
> >> certainly increased schedule reliability, which is good.)
> >>
> >> Soaking airline passengers is a great tradition that PAT needs to
> >> be part
> >> of.  It works pretty well in Philly -- $5.50 one-way, free if you
> >> have a
> >> pass, *any* pass, including the relatively cheap city transit pass
> >> that
> >> you wouldn't normally have a prayer of using on a Zone 5 Regional
> >> Rail
> >> trip.
> >> The airport workers can get to their jobs without blowing half their
> >> paycheck, and the passengers can get to their flight without
> >> blowing $25
> >> on a cab.
> >>
> >> -j.
> >>
> >
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