[PRCo] More on Newark Airport / NJT mainline fares
Fred Schneider
fwschneider at comcast.net
Wed Feb 7 15:52:24 EST 2007
To put this into better perspective, the fares between Newark Airport
and
points south are $5.50 more than those from Newark. Perhaps that
reflects
$5.00 for Port Authority and $.50 for the additional distance. The
fares
between the airport and New York show a much larger difference, which
could
be interpreted as between $9.00 (difference to Elizabeth fare) and
$10.25
(difference to Newark fare). Given the "best" interpretation, New
York City
passengers are being soaked for an extra $4.00.
For a passenger like me (or Phil [Phil is Phil Craig]) boarding in
the Montclair zone, but not
taking advantage of the senior discount, we would buy a $5.00 full fare
ticket from the conductor to Elizabeth and then pay an additional
$5.00 at
the vending machine next to the fare gates at NJT's EWR [EWR is the
code for Newark Airport] station. The other
choice would be to pay the Newark Airport fare of $10.50 at another
station
or vending machine and receive a form with the magnetic imprint.
This would
cost us 50 cents more. If we bought such a ticket from the
conductor, we
would pay him $5.50 and then pay $5.00 at the machine.
Incidentally, buying two tickets, Newark Airport-Newark and Newark-
New York
from a machine at Newark Airport is not very complicated. But you
only save
$2.75 that way. Again, the cheapest approach, where you save $4.00,
is to
already have an Elizabeth-New York ticket ($5.00) with you and then
just pay
the $5.00 exit fare. By the way, as Phil has also pointed out, many
passengers are train commuters and already have tickets that are good
for
travel on either side of the Newark Airport station.
from Jack May posted by Fred Schneider
AND THIS LETTER CAME FROM PHIL CRAIG, WHO BOTH JOHN AND I KNOW. PHIL
HAS WORKED FOR PATH, MBTA, AND GOD KNOWS WHO ALL. HE RETIRED FROM
BECHTEL LAST YEAR FROM A POSITION IN LONDON, ENGLAND AND MOVED BACK
TO NORTHERN NEW JERSEY. BOTH HE, JOHN SWINDLER, JACK MAY AND I WERE
FORMER ERA HEADLIGHTS MAGAZINE EDITORS. OK, HERE IS WHAT PHIL HAD TO
SAY:
Fred:
Your correspondent is both wrong and correct when he says "And
Fred's suggestion of using an Elizabeth ticket won't work. There are
fare gates that require a Newark airport ticket to activate."
It does work because you can buy a peak period, off-peak round trip
or senior citizen's ticket (one-way or round trip) to Elizabeth and
then get off at the Newark International Airport station. You then
can buy a ticket for the monorail ride to the airport for $5.00 from
vending machines at the station; I did so recently travelling to EWR
from Upper Montclair, where there are no ticket vending machines at
the station and the on-train staff sell cash fare receipts (including
round trips) that are not encoded for the airport station's fare gates.
And, in the other direction, you can buy a ticket at any other the
three airport terminals that is valid on the monorail as far as the
airport station on the Northeast Corridor. They have to sell such
tickets because many of NJT's passengers have commutation tickets,
etc. that are valid, for example, for Princeton Junction -
Pennsylvania Station, New York travel on trains that stop at the EWR
station.
You can buy an Elizabeth to Pennsylvania Station, New York (one-way
or round trip, peak, off-peak or senior citizen) ticket from the
vending machines at the airport. For example, a one-way peak period
ticket from Elizabeth to New York Penn Station or vice versa costs
$5.00. With that and the $5.00 ticket to ride the airport monorail,
the informed rider can save $4.00 compared to paying $14.00 for a one-
way ticket between EWR and NYP.
One thing that is clear is, contrary to the statement that " And it
is not a fixed surcharge for the Newark airport stop, but a
proportional charge. Further you go, the higher the surcharge," there
is no proportional surcharge based on distance for travel to or from
Newark International Airport.
Regarding dealings between The Port Authority and the taxi and
limousine companies: I do not know of any fee paid by the taxi
companies to pick up or discharge passengers at EWR. Back in
1989-1991, when I was commuting weekly to and from St. Louis to work
on the MetroLink Project I had an arrangement with a local taxi
company to pick me up at home on Monday mornings and at the airport
on either Thursday or Friday evenings. The driver, who was the owner
of his small company, never indicated that he had to pay anything to
the PA in conjunction with this.
The issue of parking lot revenues is significant and, where the PA is
concerned, a well-kept secret. Clearly, it is one major reason why
the PA's Aviation Department (despite what the PA says publicly) has
always worked to put public transportation in a secondary and less-
competitive position at the three major New York area airports.
One anecdote that may be of interest to you (and which I may have
told you about in the past) is that, back in the 1960s when I was
working for what was then The Port of New York Authority and assigned
to the Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation (PATH), a meeting was
called at the old terminal to discuss what the physical requirements
would be to extend PATH from Newark's Pennsylvania Station through
the three terminal buildings (A, B and C) then planned airport
reconstruction. Edmund A. Duszak, PATH's Assistant General
Superintendent of Railroad Operations and I attended this meeting.
We were asked by the Aviation Department's representatives to provide
information on the minimum curvature, dynamic loading gauge (width as
well as end and center throw, technically end excess and middle
ordinate intrusions on the wayside at minimum radius curvature),
maximum allowable gradient, etc. EAD asked "Why are you asking for
this information when PA policy is opposed to extending PATH to
Newark Airport?" The answer he received from the Aviation guys was
"So that we can design the provisions for an automated people mover
system, including the stations and right-of-way through the three
terminal buildings so that you never will be able to fit PATH trains
into the airport in the future." While we provided the requested
information, when we were driving back to New York, Ed commented to
me "What a bunch of bastards these guys are. What they haven't
figured out is that, if you ripped out their damned two-way people
mover system, you could build a one-way loop through the airport for
PATH trains.
Even now, 40 plus years later, the PA's Aviation Department still
will do whatever it can protect its parking lot revenues. And that
includes making sure that there is no direct, one-seat ride available
from Downtown or Midtown Manhattan to any of its airports.
Phil
AND YOU THINK FRED SCHNEIDER IS CYNICAL? GUYS, POLITICS CAN BE
REALLY DIRTY.
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