[PRCo] Re: What Car is This????

[Edward H. Lybarger]

PTM will be doing this with West Penn 739.  There is a considerable cost
difference...huge, in fact.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:31 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????



Has any trolley museum restored a car as a non-operable piece of equipment?
(restore it for public display, rather then part of the operable fleet?)  I
wonder what the cost difference would be?



>From: "Ken & Tracie" <ktjosephson at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:24:25 -0800
>
>Well, I'm a hardcore workcar fan, Fred. I realize some have to be
>sacrificed
>to restore passenger car bodies to operating status as the passenger cars
>generate revenue for museums and tourist operations. (Unless you are part
>of
>the IRM Electric Car Department. Then you say your favorite car has a
>"leaky
>roof" or a "finicky controller" to keep it hidden in the barn 364 days of
>any given year.)
>
>The L-5 was constructed during WW II to haul coal from the Milwaukee Road
>interchange at Powerton to the Lakeside Power Plant in St. Francis. It was
>built with a wooden body and reportedly had grounding issues (it would zap
>crew members in the cab on damp days, which Milwaukee has more than few
>each
>year.) It was the first (and only) road locomotive to be retired at the
>WEPCO power plants which had electric rail service. It was retired around
>1955 and sat around as parts source while the other seven steeple cabs ran
>into the late 1960s.
>
>The L-5 was snagged for preservation and basically sat around at North Lake
>and then East Troy. Paul Averdung dismantled it for parts during the 1980s.
>There were howls of protest. As rare as wooden steeplecabs are, one has to
>wonder if its restoration would have been worth it.
>
>CA&E car 321 was purchased for parts to restore a TM interurban car at IRM.
>A decision was made later on to restore the 321 and it toched off a
>firestorm of protest. In retrospect, it was kinda funny.
>
>I see PTM has two Phiilly PCCs now. They scrapped a SHRT P-S PCC. Do they
>still have another one?
>
>K.
>
>
>Ol Message -----
>From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:54 PM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>
>
> > Ken:
> >
> > I should not vent my frustrations openly.   But I simply do not think
> > the Baltimore Streetcar Museum is a place where Philadelphia PCCs
> > (there are four or five of them there) and snow sweepers (two of
> > them) belong.   It was originally created as a venue for Baltimore
> > transit vehicles.   Even though I've been accused of being
> > sympathetic to PCC cars after having written two books, I really
> > cannot condone preserving every available PCC car on the planet.   I
> > would much rather see them scrapped and the scarce resources spent
> > instead on more rare streetcars or even old factory buildings or
> > mansions or our national parks or perhaps even rare art.
> >
> > There, that ought to start a real ruckus.
> >
> > fws
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Ken & Tracie wrote:
> >
> >> Sheesh, is this what I started? :-)
> >>
> >> Okay, Titans, next time you're around Milwaukee fans, ask how they
> >> feel
> >> about the fate of the wooden steeple cab locomotive L-5.
> >>
> >> Or about CA&E passenger car 321.
> >>
> >> K.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:30 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dis be da HOOK alright.  I'm glad it has a happy home.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
> >>> Fred
> >>> Schneider
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:39 PM
> >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is that where that piece of junk came from?   The car at BSM is the
> >>> old car known as HOOK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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