[PRCo] Re: What Car is This????

[John Swindler]

What a novel idea  (:>)

Any other candidates?

John



>From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:33:01 -0500
>
>PTM will be doing this with West Penn 739.  There is a considerable cost
>difference...huge, in fact.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of John
>Swindler
>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:31 PM
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>
>
>
>Has any trolley museum restored a car as a non-operable piece of equipment?
>(restore it for public display, rather then part of the operable fleet?)  I
>wonder what the cost difference would be?
>
>
>
> >From: "Ken & Tracie" <ktjosephson at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
> >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:24:25 -0800
> >
> >Well, I'm a hardcore workcar fan, Fred. I realize some have to be
> >sacrificed
> >to restore passenger car bodies to operating status as the passenger cars
> >generate revenue for museums and tourist operations. (Unless you are part
> >of
> >the IRM Electric Car Department. Then you say your favorite car has a
> >"leaky
> >roof" or a "finicky controller" to keep it hidden in the barn 364 days of
> >any given year.)
> >
> >The L-5 was constructed during WW II to haul coal from the Milwaukee Road
> >interchange at Powerton to the Lakeside Power Plant in St. Francis. It 
>was
> >built with a wooden body and reportedly had grounding issues (it would 
>zap
> >crew members in the cab on damp days, which Milwaukee has more than few
> >each
> >year.) It was the first (and only) road locomotive to be retired at the
> >WEPCO power plants which had electric rail service. It was retired around
> >1955 and sat around as parts source while the other seven steeple cabs 
>ran
> >into the late 1960s.
> >
> >The L-5 was snagged for preservation and basically sat around at North 
>Lake
> >and then East Troy. Paul Averdung dismantled it for parts during the 
>1980s.
> >There were howls of protest. As rare as wooden steeplecabs are, one has 
>to
> >wonder if its restoration would have been worth it.
> >
> >CA&E car 321 was purchased for parts to restore a TM interurban car at 
>IRM.
> >A decision was made later on to restore the 321 and it toched off a
> >firestorm of protest. In retrospect, it was kinda funny.
> >
> >I see PTM has two Phiilly PCCs now. They scrapped a SHRT P-S PCC. Do they
> >still have another one?
> >
> >K.
> >
> >
> >Ol Message -----
> >From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:54 PM
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
> >
> >
> > > Ken:
> > >
> > > I should not vent my frustrations openly.   But I simply do not think
> > > the Baltimore Streetcar Museum is a place where Philadelphia PCCs
> > > (there are four or five of them there) and snow sweepers (two of
> > > them) belong.   It was originally created as a venue for Baltimore
> > > transit vehicles.   Even though I've been accused of being
> > > sympathetic to PCC cars after having written two books, I really
> > > cannot condone preserving every available PCC car on the planet.   I
> > > would much rather see them scrapped and the scarce resources spent
> > > instead on more rare streetcars or even old factory buildings or
> > > mansions or our national parks or perhaps even rare art.
> > >
> > > There, that ought to start a real ruckus.
> > >
> > > fws
> > >
> > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Ken & Tracie wrote:
> > >
> > >> Sheesh, is this what I started? :-)
> > >>
> > >> Okay, Titans, next time you're around Milwaukee fans, ask how they
> > >> feel
> > >> about the fate of the wooden steeple cab locomotive L-5.
> > >>
> > >> Or about CA&E passenger car 321.
> > >>
> > >> K.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> > >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:30 PM
> > >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Dis be da HOOK alright.  I'm glad it has a happy home.
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
> > >>> Fred
> > >>> Schneider
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:39 PM
> > >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Is that where that piece of junk came from?   The car at BSM is the
> > >>> old car known as HOOK.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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