[PRCo] Re: What Car is This????

[Fred Schneider]

Yes.  The Reading Birney in Scranton that was restored with motors  
and controls and then with holes cut in the motors and in the frame  
and in the steel walls of the car to show the public how the car was  
assembled.   It is one neat little artifact.   It would be a great  
use for a Shaker Heights PCC.

On Feb 14, 2007, at 9:45 PM, John Swindler wrote:

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> What a novel idea  (:>)
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> Any other candidates?
>
> John
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>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:33:01 -0500
>>
>> PTM will be doing this with West Penn 739.  There is a  
>> considerable cost
>> difference...huge, in fact.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of  
>> John
>> Swindler
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:31 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>>
>>
>>
>> Has any trolley museum restored a car as a non-operable piece of  
>> equipment?
>> (restore it for public display, rather then part of the operable  
>> fleet?)  I
>> wonder what the cost difference would be?
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Ken & Tracie" <ktjosephson at earthlink.net>
>>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:24:25 -0800
>>>
>>> Well, I'm a hardcore workcar fan, Fred. I realize some have to be
>>> sacrificed
>>> to restore passenger car bodies to operating status as the  
>>> passenger cars
>>> generate revenue for museums and tourist operations. (Unless you  
>>> are part
>>> of
>>> the IRM Electric Car Department. Then you say your favorite car  
>>> has a
>>> "leaky
>>> roof" or a "finicky controller" to keep it hidden in the barn 364  
>>> days of
>>> any given year.)
>>>
>>> The L-5 was constructed during WW II to haul coal from the  
>>> Milwaukee Road
>>> interchange at Powerton to the Lakeside Power Plant in St.  
>>> Francis. It
>> was
>>> built with a wooden body and reportedly had grounding issues (it  
>>> would
>> zap
>>> crew members in the cab on damp days, which Milwaukee has more  
>>> than few
>>> each
>>> year.) It was the first (and only) road locomotive to be retired  
>>> at the
>>> WEPCO power plants which had electric rail service. It was  
>>> retired around
>>> 1955 and sat around as parts source while the other seven steeple  
>>> cabs
>> ran
>>> into the late 1960s.
>>>
>>> The L-5 was snagged for preservation and basically sat around at  
>>> North
>> Lake
>>> and then East Troy. Paul Averdung dismantled it for parts during the
>> 1980s.
>>> There were howls of protest. As rare as wooden steeplecabs are,  
>>> one has
>> to
>>> wonder if its restoration would have been worth it.
>>>
>>> CA&E car 321 was purchased for parts to restore a TM interurban  
>>> car at
>> IRM.
>>> A decision was made later on to restore the 321 and it toched off a
>>> firestorm of protest. In retrospect, it was kinda funny.
>>>
>>> I see PTM has two Phiilly PCCs now. They scrapped a SHRT P-S PCC.  
>>> Do they
>>> still have another one?
>>>
>>> K.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ol Message -----
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ken:
>>>>
>>>> I should not vent my frustrations openly.   But I simply do not  
>>>> think
>>>> the Baltimore Streetcar Museum is a place where Philadelphia PCCs
>>>> (there are four or five of them there) and snow sweepers (two of
>>>> them) belong.   It was originally created as a venue for Baltimore
>>>> transit vehicles.   Even though I've been accused of being
>>>> sympathetic to PCC cars after having written two books, I really
>>>> cannot condone preserving every available PCC car on the  
>>>> planet.   I
>>>> would much rather see them scrapped and the scarce resources spent
>>>> instead on more rare streetcars or even old factory buildings or
>>>> mansions or our national parks or perhaps even rare art.
>>>>
>>>> There, that ought to start a real ruckus.
>>>>
>>>> fws
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 14, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Ken & Tracie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sheesh, is this what I started? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, Titans, next time you're around Milwaukee fans, ask how they
>>>>> feel
>>>>> about the fate of the wooden steeple cab locomotive L-5.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or about CA&E passenger car 321.
>>>>>
>>>>> K.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dis be da HOOK alright.  I'm glad it has a happy home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>>>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On  
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>> Schneider
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:39 PM
>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: What Car is This????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that where that piece of junk came from?   The car at BSM  
>>>>>> is the
>>>>>> old car known as HOOK.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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