[PRCo] Fwd: Toronto 1966

Sun Feb 25 22:13:13 EST 2007

If anyone cares ... here is John's answer to my question about Peter  
Witts in Toronto.   1963.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "John F Bromley" <johnfbromley at rogers.com>
> Date: February 25, 2007 9:59:13 PM EST
> To: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Toronto 1966
>
> Bill Robb also posts this stuff on his own TTC talk group and I get  
> it all here (and occasionally contribute).  This is the third time  
> today someone has forwarded it to me.
>
> Last Witts ran on Kingston Rd in early March 1963, on Bathurst Fort  
> late Feb 1963.  There were  few out on the opening day of the  
> baseball season as extras to the stadium, and that was it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Schneider"  
> <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: "John Bromley" <johnfbromley at rogers.com>
> Cc: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:26 PM
> Subject: Fwd: [PRCo] Toronto 1966
>
>
>> John:
>>
>>
>>
>> The Pittsburgh Railways web site has gone national in the last   
>> month. One person protested but that didn't really have much   
>> affect.     It all started when Herb Brannon posted something  
>> about  Cleveland claiming that was not far from Pittsburgh.   Then  
>> Jim  Holland posted PCCs from all over the U. S. and it just went  
>> wild  from there.   And I guess I did my share over the last few  
>> years to  push the envelope beyond Pittsburgh.   Thought you might  
>> like what  Bill Robb posted today.    Actually, once in a great  
>> while we do  mention Pittsburgh.   It has just become a group of  
>> friends talking  to each other.
>>
>> Looking at the night service map made me realize just how   
>> comprehensive the night routes were ... just about everything had   
>> night service except for Rogers Road.
>>
>> When were the last Witts used?   Did a few of them run Kingston  
>> Road trippers until the 1966 mass conversions or were they retired  
>> earlier?
>>
>> Fred3
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Bill Robb <bill937ca at yahoo.ca>
>>> Date: February 25, 2007 8:04:11 PM EST
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Toronto 1966
>>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>
>>> Pittsburgh wasn't the only place loosing streetcar lines in the   
>>> 1960s. Today marks 41 years since the TTC cleared out half the   
>>> system in one day.
>>>
>>> Today,  February 25 marks the 41st anniversary of the last day  
>>> for  the Bloor, Danforth, Fort, Harbord, Coxwell, Kingston Rd.- 
>>> Coxwell, Bathurst-Downtown, Parliament, St. Clair-Avon Loop (rush  
>>> hour only) streetcar lines and the King/Church and King/York  
>>> trippers.   Danforth and Lansdowne carhouses closed on the same  
>>> date.
>>>
>>> Last cars were:
>>>
>>> Harbord 4010
>>> Fort 4496
>>> Bathurst/Downtown 4528
>>> Coxwell 4158
>>> Kingston Rd/Coxwell 4326
>>> Bloor 4428
>>> Parliament 4213
>>> Danforth Tripper 4182
>>> King/Church Tripper 4368
>>> King/York Tripper 4112
>>>
>>> Over 200 out of service PCCs were stored at Danforth, Lansdowne  
>>> and  St. Clair carhouses.
>>>
>>> With the opening of the Bloor-Danforth subway February 26, 1966   
>>> much of the diversity of the system was gone.
>>>
>>> February 26, 1966 was the first day for Dundas cars to Broadview  
>>> Station, Bathurst cars to Bathurst Station only and the first  
>>> day  of revenue service for Keele, Dundas West, Bathurst,  
>>> Broadview  and Woodbine Station streetcar loops.
>>>
>>> Night Cars
>>>
>>> The streetcar network of the early 1960s included all night  
>>> service  on eight streetcar lines: Bathurst, Bloor, Carlton,  
>>> Dupont, King,  Kingston Road-Coxwell, Queen, and St. Clair.
>>>
>>> http://www.transitstop.net/Ride%20Guides/Aug1960%20Night.jpg
>>>
>>> When Dupont was replaced with the Bay buses in February 1963 all   
>>> night service was dropped on that route.
>>>
>>> Today only Queen and Carlton continue to have all night streetcar  
>>> service.
>>>
>>> In additon to streetcar lines abandoned Febraury 25, 1966, the   
>>> summer of 1965 was the last season for some seasonal streetcar   
>>> services.
>>>
>>> Ferry Docks
>>>
>>> The last Dundas-Docks cars ran August 15, 1965 just before the  
>>> 1965 Exhitibition opened.  Service to the ferry docks dated back  
>>> to 1928  when Dundas and Bathurst cars first served the ferry  
>>> boat docks.   Until March 30, 1954 there also was all day service  
>>> to the Docks  provided by Bay cars.
>>> After 1 PM March 30,1954, Dupont cars were routed full time to  
>>> the  Docks Loop.  The last summer of Dupont service to the Ferry  
>>> Docks  was 1962. When the University Avenue subway (which was  
>>> considered  phase 1 of the crosstown subway) opened February 28,  
>>> 1963 Dupont  cars were replaced with Bay buses.
>>>
>>> Streetcar service to the Ferry Docks did not return until 1990.
>>>
>>> Exhbition Cars
>>>
>>> The 1965 Exhibition was the last summer of city wide 'Direct-To- 
>>> The- Ex' trunk streetcar service.
>>>
>>> King-Exhibition cars operated from Hillingdon Loop near Coxwell  
>>> and Danforth via Danforth, Parliament (Broadview until 1946),  
>>> King,  Bathurst and Fleet to the Eastern Exhibition loop.
>>> Bathurst cars operated from Vaughan Loop via Vaughan, Bathurst  
>>> and  Fleet to the Eastern Exhibition Loop.
>>>
>>> Kingston Road-Exhibition cars operated from Bingham Loop via   
>>> Bingham, Kingston Road, Queen, Dufferin, Sprinhurst and Fort   
>>> Rouille to the Dufferin Loop.  Dundas Exhibition cars operated  
>>> from  Runnymede Loop via Dundas, Roncesvalles, King, Dufferin,  
>>> Sprinhurst  and Fort Rouille to the Dufferin Loop.
>>>
>>> Streetcars continued to run to the Exhibition in the years after   
>>> the Bloor-Danforth subway opened but the lines quickly became  
>>> high  density feeders to the subway. King Exhibition and Kingston  
>>> Road- Exhibition were essentially combined into a single service  
>>> to the  Eastern Exhibition Loop, while Bathurst cars only  
>>> operated as far  as Bathurst Station and Dundas-Exhibition cars  
>>> continued as  before.  The Dufferin bus quickly became a key  
>>> feeder to and from  the subway.
>>>
>>> Bill Robb
>>>
>>>
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