[PRCo] Migration_--_Immigration

[Jim Holland]

Fred Schneider wrote:
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> Intriguing about Homewood. I always heard the complaints about 
> Homewood being all white until urban renewal broken up the Lower Hill 
> District.        But sometimes people believe what they want to 
> believe.       I'm more prone to believe you if for no other reason 
> than Negroes were migrating north and west from the farms in the 
> southeast during World War II for jobs and there would be no reason 
> for them not to have come to Pittsburgh. We know they were moving to 
> Chicago and Cleveland and Detroit and Los Angeles and St. Louis so why 
> not Pittsburgh too and Herron Hill would not have been big enough, so 
> I think I have to agree with your assessment. Furthermore, the suburbs 
> were already developing before the war and that allowed some people to 
> move out of the city and vacate homes in Homewood.

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Remember the Underground Railroad of the middle 1800s  --  migration 
started then.
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Have Often been amazed how the Mexicans move around the  U.S.A.    
----    always think of Mexico as warmer and was amazed at the number in 
Alaska when I was there with Uncle Sam in the 1960s.       Mexican 
friend here in SF had lived on horse ranch in Nebraska.       Many 
northern  U.S.A.  cities have large Mexican populations  --  Chicago, 
New York, etc.
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Some small town // suburb in Michigan is  'predominantly'  Arab  --  
definitely people from Warmer Climate settling in land or horrible 
winters!!!       Amazing how people Immigrate // Migrate.
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> My father, for example, built a home in Crescent Hills in Penn 
> Township (Penn Hills) in 1937. As I recall, the area from there into 
> Wilkinsburg and Homewood along Laketon Road and Frankstown Road had 
> already been pretty solidly built up. When the war ended, the building 
> continued but a lot of it was already established before the war. 
> Deere Brothers already had hourly bus service on Frankstown Road 
> before the war.
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> On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>> Fred Schneider wrote:
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>>> I agree with the all races part, Jim, but if we are going to be 
>>> historically accurate, and you wanted to do that with motorman's 
>>> badges, then you also need to have some accuracy with the racial 
>>> splits of people who rode cars in the years when those cars were new 
>>> to the property.
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>> Forgot to mention that we need clothing on model psgrs. for Princess 
>> Summer Spring Winter Fall!!! Then our models need to be cast in 
>> T-Storms, gray skies, overcast, Smog, Snow, Hail, Rain, Sleet, 
>> Ice.......!!!!!!!
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>>> And 1200s new in Pittsburgh? Most of the negroes at that time  lived 
>>> in Herron Hill and would have been on the 85 line. Pittsburgh had a 
>>> very small percentage of minorities and until the Lower Hill 
>>> Redevelopment Program, they were essentially in one area. One would 
>>> be safe with nothing but whites in anything but a model of an 82 or 
>>> an 85 car for many years. If you are painting cars for PAT and 
>>> grunging them up for later Pittsburgh Railways appearance, then 
>>> Blacks on route 75, 76, 82, 85, 87, and 88 probably would have been 
>>> perfectly normal but I don't think they really migrated into the 
>>> area served by route 8 until it became the 11D bus.
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>> Blacks were Very Common in Homewood in the 1930s and 1940s ---- lived 
>> there when born. School Year Books for parents and others show a very 
>> good mix!!! Parents lived a block apart on Race Street just above 
>> Homewood Yards // Shops and neighbors on All sides were black!!
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>>> Was the Muni hat badge in the Byllsby era the same as the Pittsburgh 
>>> badge, Jim? Could Leonid make one man with one hat? Really, I think 
>>> we're asking for two much detail. A round blob or a line drawn on 
>>> the hat symbolizes a badge. You cannot see much more than that 
>>> through the windshield.
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>> Ain't got the foggiest about the badge -- never included it in the 
>> original items. But caps were different -- some like Bell Hop with 
>> front brim, others more like cabbies!!
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>> When SPTC made the PRCo 1700s, they were PERFECT PA Broad Gauge and 
>> thus had trouble sitting on standard U.S.A. "O"-Scale Rail of 5-feets 
>> even! Customers complained about this -- cheeze whiz, girls -- just 
>> build your own to scale!!!!!!! :-) ;-) :-P :-D
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>> Jim___Holland
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>>>> Fred Schneider wrote:
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>>>>> Well, Mr. Holland, I finally got out the cyano-acrolyte glue and 
>>>>> mounted the small parts on my 1200. How do you spell Super Glue?
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>>>>> One thing wrong with that model. No one makes people in O-gauge as 
>>>>> perfectly detailed as Leonid makes the streetcar models.
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>>>>> And since my 1200 model is signed for 85 BEDFORD (and I didn't 
>>>>> plan on this for the eve of Martin Luther King Day), it would only 
>>>>> be fitting that it has a car load of people of color. Yes, guys, 
>>>>> they did run them on that line initially. Who builds perfect 
>>>>> seated unpainted people in O-gauge with 1940 clothing?
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>>>>> On Jan 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>>>> This makes a Very Good Chuckle for Today! What you say Is Very 
>>>> True!     One customer wrote that the SPTC models should be 
>>>> delivered with a Motorman but the models are 'As__Delivered' from 
>>>> the mfgr. to the operating company and To My Knowledge, none of 
>>>> these prototypes came with an Operator!!! Yes -- some are company 
>>>> repaints // rebuilds but even then, the Operator was not involved!!!
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>>>> With SPTC being Highly Specific about including Every Detail on its 
>>>> models for that particular operating company, the same would be 
>>>> true of any Operator that SPTC would want to include with its 
>>>> models -- Uniform, Cap, colors, stripes, etc. would have to be 
>>>> specific For That Property -- a 'Generic' Motorman would not do!!
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>>>> 'Maybe' it would be an interesting sideline for SPTC to make 
>>>> Operators // Passengers for its "O"-Scale models -- Sittees, 
>>>> Standees, StrapHangers -- All Races!!!!
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>>>> Jim___Holland
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