[PRCo] Re: Migration_--_Immigration

[Fred Schneider]

Right, but it was still minor in Pittsburgh.   My Irish great  
grandmother lived on Wylie Avenue until long after he husband died in  
an industrial accident in the 1890s.   Herron Hill in the 1890 census  
was predominantly Irish; downtown was mostly German; Manchester and  
the North Side was heavily English.    I remember those areas from  
tracking relatives.   My paternal / German great grandfather lived in  
Virgn Alley (later Oliver Street, Oliver Avenue) until he became one  
of the first Germans to move to Sandusky Street on the North Side.

On Jan 14, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

> Fred Schneider wrote:
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>> Intriguing about Homewood. I always heard the complaints about
>> Homewood being all white until urban renewal broken up the Lower Hill
>> District.        But sometimes people believe what they want to
>> believe.       I'm more prone to believe you if for no other reason
>> than Negroes were migrating north and west from the farms in the
>> southeast during World War II for jobs and there would be no reason
>> for them not to have come to Pittsburgh. We know they were moving to
>> Chicago and Cleveland and Detroit and Los Angeles and St. Louis so  
>> why
>> not Pittsburgh too and Herron Hill would not have been big enough, so
>> I think I have to agree with your assessment. Furthermore, the  
>> suburbs
>> were already developing before the war and that allowed some  
>> people to
>> move out of the city and vacate homes in Homewood.
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> Remember the Underground Railroad of the middle 1800s  --  migration
> started then.
> .
> Have Often been amazed how the Mexicans move around the  U.S.A.
> ----    always think of Mexico as warmer and was amazed at the  
> number in
> Alaska when I was there with Uncle Sam in the 1960s.       Mexican
> friend here in SF had lived on horse ranch in Nebraska.       Many
> northern  U.S.A.  cities have large Mexican populations  --  Chicago,
> New York, etc.
> .
> Some small town // suburb in Michigan is  'predominantly'  Arab  --
> definitely people from Warmer Climate settling in land or horrible
> winters!!!       Amazing how people Immigrate // Migrate.
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>> My father, for example, built a home in Crescent Hills in Penn
>> Township (Penn Hills) in 1937. As I recall, the area from there into
>> Wilkinsburg and Homewood along Laketon Road and Frankstown Road had
>> already been pretty solidly built up. When the war ended, the  
>> building
>> continued but a lot of it was already established before the war.
>> Deere Brothers already had hourly bus service on Frankstown Road
>> before the war.
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>>> Fred Schneider wrote:
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>>>> I agree with the all races part, Jim, but if we are going to be
>>>> historically accurate, and you wanted to do that with motorman's
>>>> badges, then you also need to have some accuracy with the racial
>>>> splits of people who rode cars in the years when those cars were  
>>>> new
>>>> to the property.
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>>> Forgot to mention that we need clothing on model psgrs. for Princess
>>> Summer Spring Winter Fall!!! Then our models need to be cast in
>>> T-Storms, gray skies, overcast, Smog, Snow, Hail, Rain, Sleet,
>>> Ice.......!!!!!!!
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>>>> And 1200s new in Pittsburgh? Most of the negroes at that time   
>>>> lived
>>>> in Herron Hill and would have been on the 85 line. Pittsburgh had a
>>>> very small percentage of minorities and until the Lower Hill
>>>> Redevelopment Program, they were essentially in one area. One would
>>>> be safe with nothing but whites in anything but a model of an 82 or
>>>> an 85 car for many years. If you are painting cars for PAT and
>>>> grunging them up for later Pittsburgh Railways appearance, then
>>>> Blacks on route 75, 76, 82, 85, 87, and 88 probably would have been
>>>> perfectly normal but I don't think they really migrated into the
>>>> area served by route 8 until it became the 11D bus.
>>>
>>> .
>>> Blacks were Very Common in Homewood in the 1930s and 1940s ----  
>>> lived
>>> there when born. School Year Books for parents and others show a  
>>> very
>>> good mix!!! Parents lived a block apart on Race Street just above
>>> Homewood Yards // Shops and neighbors on All sides were black!!
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>>>> Was the Muni hat badge in the Byllsby era the same as the  
>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>> badge, Jim? Could Leonid make one man with one hat? Really, I think
>>>> we're asking for two much detail. A round blob or a line drawn on
>>>> the hat symbolizes a badge. You cannot see much more than that
>>>> through the windshield.
>>>
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>>> Ain't got the foggiest about the badge -- never included it in the
>>> original items. But caps were different -- some like Bell Hop with
>>> front brim, others more like cabbies!!
>>> .
>>> When SPTC made the PRCo 1700s, they were PERFECT PA Broad Gauge and
>>> thus had trouble sitting on standard U.S.A. "O"-Scale Rail of 5- 
>>> feets
>>> even! Customers complained about this -- cheeze whiz, girls -- just
>>> build your own to scale!!!!!!! :-) ;-) :-P :-D
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>>> Jim___Holland
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>>>>> Fred Schneider wrote:
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>>>>>> Well, Mr. Holland, I finally got out the cyano-acrolyte glue and
>>>>>> mounted the small parts on my 1200. How do you spell Super Glue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing wrong with that model. No one makes people in O- 
>>>>>> gauge as
>>>>>> perfectly detailed as Leonid makes the streetcar models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And since my 1200 model is signed for 85 BEDFORD (and I didn't
>>>>>> plan on this for the eve of Martin Luther King Day), it would  
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> be fitting that it has a car load of people of color. Yes, guys,
>>>>>> they did run them on that line initially. Who builds perfect
>>>>>> seated unpainted people in O-gauge with 1940 clothing?
>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>> This makes a Very Good Chuckle for Today! What you say Is Very
>>>>> True!     One customer wrote that the SPTC models should be
>>>>> delivered with a Motorman but the models are 'As__Delivered' from
>>>>> the mfgr. to the operating company and To My Knowledge, none of
>>>>> these prototypes came with an Operator!!! Yes -- some are company
>>>>> repaints // rebuilds but even then, the Operator was not  
>>>>> involved!!!
>>>>> .
>>>>> With SPTC being Highly Specific about including Every Detail on  
>>>>> its
>>>>> models for that particular operating company, the same would be
>>>>> true of any Operator that SPTC would want to include with its
>>>>> models -- Uniform, Cap, colors, stripes, etc. would have to be
>>>>> specific For That Property -- a 'Generic' Motorman would not do!!
>>>>> .
>>>>> 'Maybe' it would be an interesting sideline for SPTC to make
>>>>> Operators // Passengers for its "O"-Scale models -- Sittees,
>>>>> Standees, StrapHangers -- All Races!!!!
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>>>>> Jim___Holland
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