[PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation

[Fred Schneider]

GPS so that the motorman can't take it home to lunch?   <BG>   Is  
this a new dispatching system so the car's whereabouts are known  
constantly?

Which of the cars came from INEPTA and which came from MUNI?



On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

> Included is a listing of  ALL  Historical SF-Muni TrolleyCars As of
> 2005.06.06  --  1.5 years ago  --  will be difficult to find more  
> recent
> listing.       This is from Peter Ehrlich who used to be a member  
> of the
> Pittsburgh list.       SF  has  4008  and  4009
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>
> Hi, gang!
>
> Here is the status of F-Line equipment, as of June 5, 2005. Cars  
> listed
> as "out of service" are requiring repairs lasting longer than 5  
> work days.
>
> All active PCCs and Milan cars except 1807 now have GPS installed.
>
> Changes since last report: 1007; 1010; 1015; 1051; 1060; 1807; 1814;
> 1818; 1; 228; 496; 1080 (ex-Newark 9); 1071 (ex-Newark 23); 1072
> (ex-Newark 20); 1073 (ex-Newark 22)
>
>
> Milantram
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> PCCs
>
> 1007 Philadelphia Suburban In service (change since last report)
>
> 1010 Muni Blue/Gold Out of service in May 2005 for motor change  
> (change
> since last report)
>
> 1015 Illinois Terminal Out of service Jan 2005; roof rebuilt;  
> controller
> problems (change since last report)
>
> 1050 Muni Wings In service
>
> 1051 Muni Simplified Out of service 30 May 2005; roof rebuilding  
> (change
> since last report)
>
> 1052 Los Angeles Railway In service
>
> 1053 Brooklyn In service
>
> 1054 Philadelphia Silver Wrecked 11/16/03; moved to Marin Division  
> 2 Mar
> 05 pending retirement
>
> 1055 Philadelphia Green In service
>
> 1056 Kansas City Wrecked 8/25/01; moved into Geneva Body Shop late
> January 2004
>
> 1057 Cincinnati In service
>
> 1058 Chicago In service
>
> 1059 Boston In service
>
> 1060 Philadelphia Silver Returned to service 26 May 2005 (change since
> last report)
>
> 1061 Pacific Electric In service
>
> 1062 Louisville In service
>
> 1063 Baltimore In service
>
>
>
>
> Milan cars
>
> 1807 Milan (ex-1507) Out of service 2 June 2005; gearbox problems
> (change since last report)
>
> 1811 Milan (ex-1911) In service; painted Milan 1928 yellow/white 1814
> Milan In service March 2005 (change since last report)
>
> 1815 Milan (ex-1515) In service
>
> 1818 Milan Out of service May 2005; motor problems (change since last
> report)
>
> 1834 Milan Training service only
>
> 1856 Milan (ex-1556) In service
>
> 1859 Milan In service
>
> 1888 Milan (ex-1588) Wrecked 12/11/03
>
> 1893 Milan (ex-1793) In service
>
> 1895 Milan (ex-1795) In service
>
> 1979 Milan Out of service (parts car). Body at Pier 72. Front end  
> to be
> used for rebuild of 1888
>
>
>
>
> Vintage cars
>
> 1 Muni A-Type Returned to service May 2005 (change since last report)
>
> 106 Moscow/Orel Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>
> 130 Muni B-Type In service
>
> 151 Hankai/Osaka Stored serviceable at Pier 80; on list of first group
> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 162 Muni B-Type Moved to Geneva Shops September 12, 2004; in Muni
> Electronics shop for continued restoration work and LVPS installation
>
> 189 Oporto Restoration stopped; body moved inside Marin Division;  
> truck
> moved to Pier 80
>
> 228 Blackpool "Boat" In engineering for brake tests (change since last
> report)
>
> 351 Johnstown Stored unserviceable at Mint Yard; on list of first or
> second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 496 Melbourne W2 Returned to service 4 June 2005 (change since last  
> report)
>
> 578J Kobe/Hiroshima To be transported to Seattle in 2005 for hand  
> brake
> installation and other work; not yet departed property
>
> 578S Market Street Ry Held out of service (ADA issues)
>
> 586 Melbourne W2 Stored unserviceable at Pier 80; status uncertain
>
> 737 Brussels (PCC) Repainted as a Zurich car and displayed 4 June  
> 2005;
> still undergoing electrical/mechanical restoration (change since last
> report)
>
> 798 Market Street Ry Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>
> 952 New Orleans In service
>
> 3557 Hamburg Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
> first or
> second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
>
>
>
> Ex-Newark, NJ PCCs purchased July 2004. All except 14 sent to  
> Brookville
> Equipment Company for rehab. Muni fleet numbers to be 1070-1080.
>
> 2 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>
> 11 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>
> 12 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>
> 14 Newark At Muni Geneva Yard. To be forwarded to Brookville Equipment
> for rehab later in 2005
>
> 17 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>
> 19 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>
> 21 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>
> 1071 Twin City Rapid Transit At Brookville Equipment for rehab;
> ex-Newark 23 (change since last report)
>
> 1072 Mexico City At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 20  
> (change
> since last report)
>
> 1073 El Paso At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 22 (change
> since last report)
>
> 1080 Los Ang. Transit Lines Delivered to Muni 11 May 2005; undergoing
> testing/preparation for service; ex-Newark 9 (change since last  
> report)
>
>
>
>
> Stockpiled PCCs
>
> 1006 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
> first
> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1008 "Torpedo" work car Operable; at Geneva Yard; on list of first  
> group
> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1009 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first group
> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1011 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first group
> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1023 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1026 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>
> 1027 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>
> 1028 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>
> 1031 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1033 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
> first
> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1034 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
> first
> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1038 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1039 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
> first
> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1040 "Baby Ten" Stored serviceable at Geneva Yard; on list of first
> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>
> 1064 ex-Phila. 2133 Out of service; moved to Marin Division
>
> 1103 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1106 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>
> 1108 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>
> 1115 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1125 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1130 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1139 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1140 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>
> 1146 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Being moved to Muni from Clear Lake, IA
>
> 1158 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1160 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>
> 1168 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 1704 St. Louis Out of service but operable; moved to Marin Division
> March 30, 2004
>
> 2147 Ex-SEPTA PCC Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>
> 4008 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>
> 4009 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>
>
> Fred Schneider wrote:
> .
>
>> The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the Mattapan -
>> Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
>> station is rebuilt. Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
>> whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded. The  
>> field
>> shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore they
>> will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet PCC
>> specifications.
>>
>> Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
>> that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would change
>> the performance specification.
>>
>> Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal scheduled
>> service.
>>
>> Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
>> like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,  
>> that
>> was manufactured according to PCC patents. The trucks are totally new
>> and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars.      The
>> control package is also totally new and electronic, not a resistance
>> control scheme. I would be hard pressed to call them PCC cars. There
>> may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not been sold off or
>> rebuilt by SEPTA.
>>
>> New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
>> future use, I think in Bayonne.
>>
>> And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
>> fleet. I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there. There are many
>> of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981  
>> General
>> Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in acceleration  
>> and
>> also screwed up the braking response. Like the Boston cars, they too
>> no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you would have a hard  
>> time
>> explaining to a non technical mind that they are not true PCCs. I
>> think there are also a few of the original Muni Torpedos still
>> running, and they probably are as close to original as you get today
>> for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
>>>> other US Cities running PCCs cars at this time??. I thought Boston
>>>> was, but was told differently.       Also a number of cities,  
>>>> Tampa,
>>>> Charlotte Memphis and others have opened new lines what type of  
>>>> cars
>>>> are they running? New or refurbished?
>>>>
>>>> Also being a member of PTM, is there any plans to extend the
>>>> trackage or right of way or is the basic track layout going to be
>>>> maintained:
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Matsick
>>>
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