[PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation

[Jim Holland]

Included is a listing of  ALL  Historical SF-Muni TrolleyCars As of 
2005.06.06  --  1.5 years ago  --  will be difficult to find more recent 
listing.       This is from Peter Ehrlich who used to be a member of the 
Pittsburgh list.       SF  has  4008  and  4009

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Hi, gang!

Here is the status of F-Line equipment, as of June 5, 2005. Cars listed 
as "out of service" are requiring repairs lasting longer than 5 work days.

All active PCCs and Milan cars except 1807 now have GPS installed.

Changes since last report: 1007; 1010; 1015; 1051; 1060; 1807; 1814; 
1818; 1; 228; 496; 1080 (ex-Newark 9); 1071 (ex-Newark 23); 1072 
(ex-Newark 20); 1073 (ex-Newark 22)


Milantram

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PCCs

1007 Philadelphia Suburban In service (change since last report)

1010 Muni Blue/Gold Out of service in May 2005 for motor change (change 
since last report)

1015 Illinois Terminal Out of service Jan 2005; roof rebuilt; controller 
problems (change since last report)

1050 Muni Wings In service

1051 Muni Simplified Out of service 30 May 2005; roof rebuilding (change 
since last report)

1052 Los Angeles Railway In service

1053 Brooklyn In service

1054 Philadelphia Silver Wrecked 11/16/03; moved to Marin Division 2 Mar 
05 pending retirement

1055 Philadelphia Green In service

1056 Kansas City Wrecked 8/25/01; moved into Geneva Body Shop late 
January 2004

1057 Cincinnati In service

1058 Chicago In service

1059 Boston In service

1060 Philadelphia Silver Returned to service 26 May 2005 (change since 
last report)

1061 Pacific Electric In service

1062 Louisville In service

1063 Baltimore In service




Milan cars

1807 Milan (ex-1507) Out of service 2 June 2005; gearbox problems 
(change since last report)

1811 Milan (ex-1911) In service; painted Milan 1928 yellow/white 1814 
Milan In service March 2005 (change since last report)

1815 Milan (ex-1515) In service

1818 Milan Out of service May 2005; motor problems (change since last 
report)

1834 Milan Training service only

1856 Milan (ex-1556) In service

1859 Milan In service

1888 Milan (ex-1588) Wrecked 12/11/03

1893 Milan (ex-1793) In service

1895 Milan (ex-1795) In service

1979 Milan Out of service (parts car). Body at Pier 72. Front end to be 
used for rebuild of 1888




Vintage cars

1 Muni A-Type Returned to service May 2005 (change since last report)

106 Moscow/Orel Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR

130 Muni B-Type In service

151 Hankai/Osaka Stored serviceable at Pier 80; on list of first group 
of cars to next be rebuilt for service

162 Muni B-Type Moved to Geneva Shops September 12, 2004; in Muni 
Electronics shop for continued restoration work and LVPS installation

189 Oporto Restoration stopped; body moved inside Marin Division; truck 
moved to Pier 80

228 Blackpool "Boat" In engineering for brake tests (change since last 
report)

351 Johnstown Stored unserviceable at Mint Yard; on list of first or 
second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service

496 Melbourne W2 Returned to service 4 June 2005 (change since last report)

578J Kobe/Hiroshima To be transported to Seattle in 2005 for hand brake 
installation and other work; not yet departed property

578S Market Street Ry Held out of service (ADA issues)

586 Melbourne W2 Stored unserviceable at Pier 80; status uncertain

737 Brussels (PCC) Repainted as a Zurich car and displayed 4 June 2005; 
still undergoing electrical/mechanical restoration (change since last 
report)

798 Market Street Ry Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR

952 New Orleans In service

3557 Hamburg Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of first or 
second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service




Ex-Newark, NJ PCCs purchased July 2004. All except 14 sent to Brookville 
Equipment Company for rehab. Muni fleet numbers to be 1070-1080.

2 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab

11 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab

12 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab

14 Newark At Muni Geneva Yard. To be forwarded to Brookville Equipment 
for rehab later in 2005

17 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab

19 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab

21 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab

1071 Twin City Rapid Transit At Brookville Equipment for rehab; 
ex-Newark 23 (change since last report)

1072 Mexico City At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 20 (change 
since last report)

1073 El Paso At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 22 (change 
since last report)

1080 Los Ang. Transit Lines Delivered to Muni 11 May 2005; undergoing 
testing/preparation for service; ex-Newark 9 (change since last report)




Stockpiled PCCs

1006 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of first 
group of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1008 "Torpedo" work car Operable; at Geneva Yard; on list of first group 
of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1009 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first group 
of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1011 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first group 
of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1023 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1026 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division

1027 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division

1028 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division

1031 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1033 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of first 
group of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1034 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of first 
group of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1038 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1039 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of first 
group of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1040 "Baby Ten" Stored serviceable at Geneva Yard; on list of first 
group of cars to next be rebuilt for service

1064 ex-Phila. 2133 Out of service; moved to Marin Division

1103 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1106 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division

1108 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division

1115 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1125 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1130 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1139 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1140 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division

1146 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Being moved to Muni from Clear Lake, IA

1158 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1160 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division

1168 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

1704 St. Louis Out of service but operable; moved to Marin Division 
March 30, 2004

2147 Ex-SEPTA PCC Stored unserviceable at Pier 72

4008 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard

4009 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard


Fred Schneider wrote:
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> The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the Mattapan - 
> Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway 
> station is rebuilt. Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own 
> whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded. The field 
> shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore they 
> will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet PCC 
> specifications.
>
> Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think 
> that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would change 
> the performance specification.
>
> Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal scheduled 
> service.
>
> Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look 
> like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge, that 
> was manufactured according to PCC patents. The trucks are totally new 
> and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars.      The 
> control package is also totally new and electronic, not a resistance 
> control scheme. I would be hard pressed to call them PCC cars. There 
> may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not been sold off or 
> rebuilt by SEPTA.
>
> New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for 
> future use, I think in Bayonne.
>
> And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco 
> fleet. I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there. There are many 
> of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981 General 
> Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in acceleration and 
> also screwed up the braking response. Like the Boston cars, they too 
> no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you would have a hard time 
> explaining to a non technical mind that they are not true PCCs. I 
> think there are also a few of the original Muni Torpedos still 
> running, and they probably are as close to original as you get today 
> for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>>
>>
>>> Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any 
>>> other US Cities running PCCs cars at this time??. I thought Boston 
>>> was, but was told differently.       Also a number of cities, Tampa, 
>>> Charlotte Memphis and others have opened new lines what type of cars 
>>> are they running? New or refurbished?
>>>
>>> Also being a member of PTM, is there any plans to extend the  
>>> trackage or right of way or is the basic track layout going to be 
>>> maintained:
>>>
>>> Jerry Matsick
>>