[PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation

Wed Jan 17 08:51:08 EST 2007

Likewise.  The word 'weary' comes to mind.

>From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:12:52 -0500
>
>When the hair splitting commences, I push the delete key.   I haven't
>been up to see the fine people in Brookville in nine months.   I
>don't know what is there.
>
>I think McKinney Avenue bought one car from the Tandy Subway.   You
>want to call it a PCC.   Again, I'm not getting into any urinating
>contests.
>
>Portland?   I never saw one there.
>
>On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:57 PM, John Swindler wrote:
>
> >
> > Doesn't McKinley Ave. in Dallas run a rebodied  ex. Washington
> > PCC?  And
> > doesn't Portland run a couple rebodied PCCs?  And is the largest
> > "fleet" of
> > PCC cars in US today located at Brookville??
> >
> > let the "splitting of hairs" commence.  (:>)
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
> >> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:20:05 -0500
> >>
> >> The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the Mattapan -
> >> Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
> >> station is rebuilt.   Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
> >> whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded.   The
> >> field shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore
> >> they will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet
> >> PCC specifications.  I'm not about to get into a contest over what is
> >> or what is not a PCC any longer.
> >>
> >> Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
> >> that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would change
> >> the performance specification.
> >>
> >> Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal scheduled
> >> service.
> >>
> >> Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
> >> like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,
> >> that was manufactured according to PCC patents.  The trucks are
> >> totally new and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars.
> >> The control package is also totally new and electronic, not a
> >> resistance control scheme.   I would be hard pressed to call them PCC
> >> cars.   There may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not
> >> been sold off or rebuilt by SEPTA.
> >>
> >> New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
> >> future use, I think in Bayonne.
> >>
> >> And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
> >> fleet.   I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there.   There are
> >> many of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981
> >> General Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in
> >> acceleration and also screwed up the braking response.    Like the
> >> Boston cars, they too no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you
> >> would have a hard time explaining to a non technical mind that they
> >> are not true PCCs.   I think there are also a few of the original
> >> Muni Torpedos still running, and they probably are as close to
> >> original as you get today for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Ken & Tracie wrote:
> >>
> >>> Boston is running PCCs on the Mattapan-Ashmont line and San
> >>> Francisco has
> >>> PCCs running their F line. Kenosha, Wisconsin has a fleet of five
> >>> running on
> >>> their line, too.
> >>>
> >>> Fred the Third mentioned some wiring or mechanical changes to the
> >>> Boston
> >>> cars which technically alters them from true PCC status and I've
> >>> read that
> >>> the Philadelphia cars are essentially new non-PCC cars using
> >>> refurbished PCC
> >>> bodies.
> >>>
> >>> The Kenosha cars are ex-Toronto PCC cars using ex-CTA standard
> >>> gauge trucks.
> >>>
> >>> Corrections and additions to what I typed above are requested.
> >>>
> >>> K.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
> >>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
> >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
> >>>> other US
> >>>> Cities running PCCs
> >>>> cars at this time??.  I thought Boston was, but was told
> >>>> differently.
> >>>> Also a number of cities,  Tampa, Charlotte Memphis and others have
> >>>> opened
> >>>> new  lines what type of cars are they running?  New or refurbished?
> >>>>
> >>>> Also being a member of PTM,  is there any plans to extend the
> >>>> trackage or
> >>>> right of way or is the
> >>>> basic track layout  going to be maintained:
> >>>>
> >>>> Jerry Matsick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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