[PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation

Wed Jan 17 16:07:43 EST 2007

GPS  announces stops  --  probably much else it can do that we aren't told!!
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1040 is the last SF-Muni Ten  --  Tens above that are either Septic or NJ.

Fred Schneider wrote:

>GPS so that the motorman can't take it home to lunch?   <BG>   Is  
>this a new dispatching system so the car's whereabouts are known  
>constantly?
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>Which of the cars came from INEPTA and which came from MUNI?
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>On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>>Included is a listing of  ALL  Historical SF-Muni TrolleyCars As of
>>2005.06.06  --  1.5 years ago  --  will be difficult to find more  
>>recent
>>listing.       This is from Peter Ehrlich who used to be a member  
>>of the
>>Pittsburgh list.       SF  has  4008  and  4009
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>>Hi, gang!
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>>Here is the status of F-Line equipment, as of June 5, 2005. Cars  
>>listed
>>as "out of service" are requiring repairs lasting longer than 5  
>>work days.
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>>All active PCCs and Milan cars except 1807 now have GPS installed.
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>>Changes since last report: 1007; 1010; 1015; 1051; 1060; 1807; 1814;
>>1818; 1; 228; 496; 1080 (ex-Newark 9); 1071 (ex-Newark 23); 1072
>>(ex-Newark 20); 1073 (ex-Newark 22)
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>>Milantram
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>>PCCs
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>>1007 Philadelphia Suburban In service (change since last report)
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>>1010 Muni Blue/Gold Out of service in May 2005 for motor change  
>>(change
>>since last report)
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>>1015 Illinois Terminal Out of service Jan 2005; roof rebuilt;  
>>controller
>>problems (change since last report)
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>>1050 Muni Wings In service
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>>1051 Muni Simplified Out of service 30 May 2005; roof rebuilding  
>>(change
>>since last report)
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>>1052 Los Angeles Railway In service
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>>1053 Brooklyn In service
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>>1054 Philadelphia Silver Wrecked 11/16/03; moved to Marin Division  
>>2 Mar
>>05 pending retirement
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>>1055 Philadelphia Green In service
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>>1056 Kansas City Wrecked 8/25/01; moved into Geneva Body Shop late
>>January 2004
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>>1057 Cincinnati In service
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>>1058 Chicago In service
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>>1059 Boston In service
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>>1060 Philadelphia Silver Returned to service 26 May 2005 (change since
>>last report)
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>>1061 Pacific Electric In service
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>>1062 Louisville In service
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>>1063 Baltimore In service
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>>Milan cars
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>>1807 Milan (ex-1507) Out of service 2 June 2005; gearbox problems
>>(change since last report)
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>>1811 Milan (ex-1911) In service; painted Milan 1928 yellow/white 1814
>>Milan In service March 2005 (change since last report)
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>>1815 Milan (ex-1515) In service
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>>1818 Milan Out of service May 2005; motor problems (change since last
>>report)
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>>1834 Milan Training service only
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>>1856 Milan (ex-1556) In service
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>>1859 Milan In service
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>>1888 Milan (ex-1588) Wrecked 12/11/03
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>>1893 Milan (ex-1793) In service
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>>1895 Milan (ex-1795) In service
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>>1979 Milan Out of service (parts car). Body at Pier 72. Front end  
>>to be
>>used for rebuild of 1888
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>>Vintage cars
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>>1 Muni A-Type Returned to service May 2005 (change since last report)
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>>106 Moscow/Orel Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
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>>130 Muni B-Type In service
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>>151 Hankai/Osaka Stored serviceable at Pier 80; on list of first group
>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>162 Muni B-Type Moved to Geneva Shops September 12, 2004; in Muni
>>Electronics shop for continued restoration work and LVPS installation
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>>189 Oporto Restoration stopped; body moved inside Marin Division;  
>>truck
>>moved to Pier 80
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>>228 Blackpool "Boat" In engineering for brake tests (change since last
>>report)
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>>351 Johnstown Stored unserviceable at Mint Yard; on list of first or
>>second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>496 Melbourne W2 Returned to service 4 June 2005 (change since last  
>>report)
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>>578J Kobe/Hiroshima To be transported to Seattle in 2005 for hand  
>>brake
>>installation and other work; not yet departed property
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>>578S Market Street Ry Held out of service (ADA issues)
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>>586 Melbourne W2 Stored unserviceable at Pier 80; status uncertain
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>>737 Brussels (PCC) Repainted as a Zurich car and displayed 4 June  
>>2005;
>>still undergoing electrical/mechanical restoration (change since last
>>report)
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>>798 Market Street Ry Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
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>>952 New Orleans In service
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>>3557 Hamburg Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
>>first or
>>second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>Ex-Newark, NJ PCCs purchased July 2004. All except 14 sent to  
>>Brookville
>>Equipment Company for rehab. Muni fleet numbers to be 1070-1080.
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>>2 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
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>>11 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
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>>12 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
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>>14 Newark At Muni Geneva Yard. To be forwarded to Brookville Equipment
>>for rehab later in 2005
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>>17 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
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>>19 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
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>>21 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
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>>1071 Twin City Rapid Transit At Brookville Equipment for rehab;
>>ex-Newark 23 (change since last report)
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>>1072 Mexico City At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 20  
>>(change
>>since last report)
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>>1073 El Paso At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 22 (change
>>since last report)
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>>1080 Los Ang. Transit Lines Delivered to Muni 11 May 2005; undergoing
>>testing/preparation for service; ex-Newark 9 (change since last  
>>report)
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>>Stockpiled PCCs
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>>1006 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
>>first
>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1008 "Torpedo" work car Operable; at Geneva Yard; on list of first  
>>group
>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1009 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first group
>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1011 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first group
>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1023 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1026 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
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>>1027 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
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>>1028 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
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>>1031 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1033 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
>>first
>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1034 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
>>first
>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1038 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1039 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of  
>>first
>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1040 "Baby Ten" Stored serviceable at Geneva Yard; on list of first
>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
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>>1064 ex-Phila. 2133 Out of service; moved to Marin Division
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>>1103 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1106 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
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>>1108 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
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>>1115 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1125 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1130 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1139 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1140 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
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>>1146 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Being moved to Muni from Clear Lake, IA
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>>1158 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1160 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
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>>1168 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>1704 St. Louis Out of service but operable; moved to Marin Division
>>March 30, 2004
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>>2147 Ex-SEPTA PCC Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
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>>4008 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>>
>>4009 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
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>>Fred Schneider wrote:
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>>>The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the Mattapan -
>>>Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
>>>station is rebuilt. Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
>>>whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded. The  
>>>field
>>>shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore they
>>>will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet PCC
>>>specifications.
>>>
>>>Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
>>>that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would change
>>>the performance specification.
>>>
>>>Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal scheduled
>>>service.
>>>
>>>Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
>>>like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,  
>>>that
>>>was manufactured according to PCC patents. The trucks are totally new
>>>and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars.      The
>>>control package is also totally new and electronic, not a resistance
>>>control scheme. I would be hard pressed to call them PCC cars. There
>>>may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not been sold off or
>>>rebuilt by SEPTA.
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>>>New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
>>>future use, I think in Bayonne.
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>>>And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
>>>fleet. I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there. There are many
>>>of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981  
>>>General
>>>Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in acceleration  
>>>and
>>>also screwed up the braking response. Like the Boston cars, they too
>>>no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you would have a hard  
>>>time
>>>explaining to a non technical mind that they are not true PCCs. I
>>>think there are also a few of the original Muni Torpedos still
>>>running, and they probably are as close to original as you get today
>>>for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
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>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>>>>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
>>>>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
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>>>>>Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
>>>>>other US Cities running PCCs cars at this time??. I thought Boston
>>>>>was, but was told differently.       Also a number of cities,  
>>>>>Tampa,
>>>>>Charlotte Memphis and others have opened new lines what type of  
>>>>>cars
>>>>>are they running? New or refurbished?
>>>>>
>>>>>Also being a member of PTM, is there any plans to extend the
>>>>>trackage or right of way or is the basic track layout going to be
>>>>>maintained:
>>>>>
>>>>>Jerry Matsick
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