[PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation

[Fred Schneider]

1017. 1015 and 1010 are unrenumbered Torpedos?   Were any of the Muni  
cars renumbered and were all the Inepta or Septic system cars added  
in above 1040?
On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

> GPS  announces stops  --  probably much else it can do that we  
> aren't told!!
> .
> 1040 is the last SF-Muni Ten  --  Tens above that are either Septic  
> or NJ.
>
>
> Fred Schneider wrote:
>
>> GPS so that the motorman can't take it home to lunch?   <BG>   Is
>> this a new dispatching system so the car's whereabouts are known
>> constantly?
>>
>> Which of the cars came from INEPTA and which came from MUNI?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Included is a listing of  ALL  Historical SF-Muni TrolleyCars As of
>>> 2005.06.06  --  1.5 years ago  --  will be difficult to find more
>>> recent
>>> listing.       This is from Peter Ehrlich who used to be a member
>>> of the
>>> Pittsburgh list.       SF  has  4008  and  4009
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, gang!
>>>
>>> Here is the status of F-Line equipment, as of June 5, 2005. Cars
>>> listed
>>> as "out of service" are requiring repairs lasting longer than 5
>>> work days.
>>>
>>> All active PCCs and Milan cars except 1807 now have GPS installed.
>>>
>>> Changes since last report: 1007; 1010; 1015; 1051; 1060; 1807; 1814;
>>> 1818; 1; 228; 496; 1080 (ex-Newark 9); 1071 (ex-Newark 23); 1072
>>> (ex-Newark 20); 1073 (ex-Newark 22)
>>>
>>>
>>> Milantram
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> PCCs
>>>
>>> 1007 Philadelphia Suburban In service (change since last report)
>>>
>>> 1010 Muni Blue/Gold Out of service in May 2005 for motor change
>>> (change
>>> since last report)
>>>
>>> 1015 Illinois Terminal Out of service Jan 2005; roof rebuilt;
>>> controller
>>> problems (change since last report)
>>>
>>> 1050 Muni Wings In service
>>>
>>> 1051 Muni Simplified Out of service 30 May 2005; roof rebuilding
>>> (change
>>> since last report)
>>>
>>> 1052 Los Angeles Railway In service
>>>
>>> 1053 Brooklyn In service
>>>
>>> 1054 Philadelphia Silver Wrecked 11/16/03; moved to Marin Division
>>> 2 Mar
>>> 05 pending retirement
>>>
>>> 1055 Philadelphia Green In service
>>>
>>> 1056 Kansas City Wrecked 8/25/01; moved into Geneva Body Shop late
>>> January 2004
>>>
>>> 1057 Cincinnati In service
>>>
>>> 1058 Chicago In service
>>>
>>> 1059 Boston In service
>>>
>>> 1060 Philadelphia Silver Returned to service 26 May 2005 (change  
>>> since
>>> last report)
>>>
>>> 1061 Pacific Electric In service
>>>
>>> 1062 Louisville In service
>>>
>>> 1063 Baltimore In service
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Milan cars
>>>
>>> 1807 Milan (ex-1507) Out of service 2 June 2005; gearbox problems
>>> (change since last report)
>>>
>>> 1811 Milan (ex-1911) In service; painted Milan 1928 yellow/white  
>>> 1814
>>> Milan In service March 2005 (change since last report)
>>>
>>> 1815 Milan (ex-1515) In service
>>>
>>> 1818 Milan Out of service May 2005; motor problems (change since  
>>> last
>>> report)
>>>
>>> 1834 Milan Training service only
>>>
>>> 1856 Milan (ex-1556) In service
>>>
>>> 1859 Milan In service
>>>
>>> 1888 Milan (ex-1588) Wrecked 12/11/03
>>>
>>> 1893 Milan (ex-1793) In service
>>>
>>> 1895 Milan (ex-1795) In service
>>>
>>> 1979 Milan Out of service (parts car). Body at Pier 72. Front end
>>> to be
>>> used for rebuild of 1888
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vintage cars
>>>
>>> 1 Muni A-Type Returned to service May 2005 (change since last  
>>> report)
>>>
>>> 106 Moscow/Orel Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>>>
>>> 130 Muni B-Type In service
>>>
>>> 151 Hankai/Osaka Stored serviceable at Pier 80; on list of first  
>>> group
>>> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 162 Muni B-Type Moved to Geneva Shops September 12, 2004; in Muni
>>> Electronics shop for continued restoration work and LVPS  
>>> installation
>>>
>>> 189 Oporto Restoration stopped; body moved inside Marin Division;
>>> truck
>>> moved to Pier 80
>>>
>>> 228 Blackpool "Boat" In engineering for brake tests (change since  
>>> last
>>> report)
>>>
>>> 351 Johnstown Stored unserviceable at Mint Yard; on list of first or
>>> second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 496 Melbourne W2 Returned to service 4 June 2005 (change since last
>>> report)
>>>
>>> 578J Kobe/Hiroshima To be transported to Seattle in 2005 for hand
>>> brake
>>> installation and other work; not yet departed property
>>>
>>> 578S Market Street Ry Held out of service (ADA issues)
>>>
>>> 586 Melbourne W2 Stored unserviceable at Pier 80; status uncertain
>>>
>>> 737 Brussels (PCC) Repainted as a Zurich car and displayed 4 June
>>> 2005;
>>> still undergoing electrical/mechanical restoration (change since  
>>> last
>>> report)
>>>
>>> 798 Market Street Ry Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>>>
>>> 952 New Orleans In service
>>>
>>> 3557 Hamburg Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>> first or
>>> second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ex-Newark, NJ PCCs purchased July 2004. All except 14 sent to
>>> Brookville
>>> Equipment Company for rehab. Muni fleet numbers to be 1070-1080.
>>>
>>> 2 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>
>>> 11 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>
>>> 12 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>
>>> 14 Newark At Muni Geneva Yard. To be forwarded to Brookville  
>>> Equipment
>>> for rehab later in 2005
>>>
>>> 17 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>
>>> 19 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>
>>> 21 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>
>>> 1071 Twin City Rapid Transit At Brookville Equipment for rehab;
>>> ex-Newark 23 (change since last report)
>>>
>>> 1072 Mexico City At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 20
>>> (change
>>> since last report)
>>>
>>> 1073 El Paso At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 22 (change
>>> since last report)
>>>
>>> 1080 Los Ang. Transit Lines Delivered to Muni 11 May 2005;  
>>> undergoing
>>> testing/preparation for service; ex-Newark 9 (change since last
>>> report)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stockpiled PCCs
>>>
>>> 1006 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>> first
>>> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1008 "Torpedo" work car Operable; at Geneva Yard; on list of first
>>> group
>>> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1009 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first  
>>> group
>>> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1011 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first  
>>> group
>>> of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1023 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1026 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1027 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1028 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1031 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1033 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>> first
>>> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1034 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>> first
>>> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1038 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1039 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>> first
>>> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1040 "Baby Ten" Stored serviceable at Geneva Yard; on list of first
>>> group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>
>>> 1064 ex-Phila. 2133 Out of service; moved to Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1103 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1106 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1108 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1115 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1125 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1130 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1139 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1140 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1146 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Being moved to Muni from Clear Lake, IA
>>>
>>> 1158 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1160 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>
>>> 1168 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 1704 St. Louis Out of service but operable; moved to Marin Division
>>> March 30, 2004
>>>
>>> 2147 Ex-SEPTA PCC Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>
>>> 4008 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>>>
>>> 4009 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred Schneider wrote:
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the  
>>>> Mattapan -
>>>> Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
>>>> station is rebuilt. Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
>>>> whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded. The
>>>> field
>>>> shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore they
>>>> will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet PCC
>>>> specifications.
>>>>
>>>> Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
>>>> that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would  
>>>> change
>>>> the performance specification.
>>>>
>>>> Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal  
>>>> scheduled
>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>> Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
>>>> like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,
>>>> that
>>>> was manufactured according to PCC patents. The trucks are  
>>>> totally new
>>>> and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars.      The
>>>> control package is also totally new and electronic, not a  
>>>> resistance
>>>> control scheme. I would be hard pressed to call them PCC cars.  
>>>> There
>>>> may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not been sold  
>>>> off or
>>>> rebuilt by SEPTA.
>>>>
>>>> New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
>>>> future use, I think in Bayonne.
>>>>
>>>> And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
>>>> fleet. I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there. There are  
>>>> many
>>>> of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981
>>>> General
>>>> Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in acceleration
>>>> and
>>>> also screwed up the braking response. Like the Boston cars, they  
>>>> too
>>>> no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you would have a hard
>>>> time
>>>> explaining to a non technical mind that they are not true PCCs. I
>>>> think there are also a few of the original Muni Torpedos still
>>>> running, and they probably are as close to original as you get  
>>>> today
>>>> for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
>>>>>> other US Cities running PCCs cars at this time??. I thought  
>>>>>> Boston
>>>>>> was, but was told differently.       Also a number of cities,
>>>>>> Tampa,
>>>>>> Charlotte Memphis and others have opened new lines what type of
>>>>>> cars
>>>>>> are they running? New or refurbished?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also being a member of PTM, is there any plans to extend the
>>>>>> trackage or right of way or is the basic track layout going to be
>>>>>> maintained:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerry Matsick
>>>>>>
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