[PRCo] Re: SF-Muni
Jim Holland
prcopcc at p-r-co.com
Wed Jan 17 17:51:07 EST 2007
Jim Holland wrote:
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> 1017 is a Baby Ten -- 1016--1040;
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> 1006--1015 are DE Torps.
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> None of the "Original" Muni cars were renumbered. ONE Muni
> 1101-series car, which is ex-SLPS, was painted in SLPS colors and
> returned to its original SLPS number
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> 1050 is the start of the Septic series and either 1070 or 1080 starts
> the ex-Newark, ex-TCRT cars!!
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> Fred Schneider wrote:
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>> 1017. 1015 and 1010 are unrenumbered Torpedos? Were any of the Muni
>> cars renumbered and were all the Inepta or Septic system cars added
>> in above 1040?
>> On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>>
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>>>GPS announces stops -- probably much else it can do that we
>>>aren't told!!
>>>.
>>>1040 is the last SF-Muni Ten -- Tens above that are either Septic
>>>or NJ.
>>>
>>>
>>>Fred Schneider wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>GPS so that the motorman can't take it home to lunch? <BG> Is
>>>>this a new dispatching system so the car's whereabouts are known
>>>>constantly?
>>>>
>>>>Which of the cars came from INEPTA and which came from MUNI?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Included is a listing of ALL Historical SF-Muni TrolleyCars As of
>>>>>2005.06.06 -- 1.5 years ago -- will be difficult to find more
>>>>>recent
>>>>>listing. This is from Peter Ehrlich who used to be a member
>>>>>of the
>>>>>Pittsburgh list. SF has 4008 and 4009
>>>>>
>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi, gang!
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is the status of F-Line equipment, as of June 5, 2005. Cars
>>>>>listed
>>>>>as "out of service" are requiring repairs lasting longer than 5
>>>>>work days.
>>>>>
>>>>>All active PCCs and Milan cars except 1807 now have GPS installed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Changes since last report: 1007; 1010; 1015; 1051; 1060; 1807; 1814;
>>>>>1818; 1; 228; 496; 1080 (ex-Newark 9); 1071 (ex-Newark 23); 1072
>>>>>(ex-Newark 20); 1073 (ex-Newark 22)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Milantram
>>>>>
>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>PCCs
>>>>>
>>>>>1007 Philadelphia Suburban In service (change since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1010 Muni Blue/Gold Out of service in May 2005 for motor change
>>>>>(change
>>>>>since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1015 Illinois Terminal Out of service Jan 2005; roof rebuilt;
>>>>>controller
>>>>>problems (change since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1050 Muni Wings In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1051 Muni Simplified Out of service 30 May 2005; roof rebuilding
>>>>>(change
>>>>>since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1052 Los Angeles Railway In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1053 Brooklyn In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1054 Philadelphia Silver Wrecked 11/16/03; moved to Marin Division
>>>>>2 Mar
>>>>>05 pending retirement
>>>>>
>>>>>1055 Philadelphia Green In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1056 Kansas City Wrecked 8/25/01; moved into Geneva Body Shop late
>>>>>January 2004
>>>>>
>>>>>1057 Cincinnati In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1058 Chicago In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1059 Boston In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1060 Philadelphia Silver Returned to service 26 May 2005 (change
>>>>>since
>>>>>last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1061 Pacific Electric In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1062 Louisville In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1063 Baltimore In service
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Milan cars
>>>>>
>>>>>1807 Milan (ex-1507) Out of service 2 June 2005; gearbox problems
>>>>>(change since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1811 Milan (ex-1911) In service; painted Milan 1928 yellow/white
>>>>>1814
>>>>>Milan In service March 2005 (change since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1815 Milan (ex-1515) In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1818 Milan Out of service May 2005; motor problems (change since
>>>>>last
>>>>>report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1834 Milan Training service only
>>>>>
>>>>>1856 Milan (ex-1556) In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1859 Milan In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1888 Milan (ex-1588) Wrecked 12/11/03
>>>>>
>>>>>1893 Milan (ex-1793) In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1895 Milan (ex-1795) In service
>>>>>
>>>>>1979 Milan Out of service (parts car). Body at Pier 72. Front end
>>>>>to be
>>>>>used for rebuild of 1888
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Vintage cars
>>>>>
>>>>>1 Muni A-Type Returned to service May 2005 (change since last
>>>>>report)
>>>>>
>>>>>106 Moscow/Orel Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>>>>>
>>>>>130 Muni B-Type In service
>>>>>
>>>>>151 Hankai/Osaka Stored serviceable at Pier 80; on list of first
>>>>>group
>>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>162 Muni B-Type Moved to Geneva Shops September 12, 2004; in Muni
>>>>>Electronics shop for continued restoration work and LVPS
>>>>>installation
>>>>>
>>>>>189 Oporto Restoration stopped; body moved inside Marin Division;
>>>>>truck
>>>>>moved to Pier 80
>>>>>
>>>>>228 Blackpool "Boat" In engineering for brake tests (change since
>>>>>last
>>>>>report)
>>>>>
>>>>>351 Johnstown Stored unserviceable at Mint Yard; on list of first or
>>>>>second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>496 Melbourne W2 Returned to service 4 June 2005 (change since last
>>>>>report)
>>>>>
>>>>>578J Kobe/Hiroshima To be transported to Seattle in 2005 for hand
>>>>>brake
>>>>>installation and other work; not yet departed property
>>>>>
>>>>>578S Market Street Ry Held out of service (ADA issues)
>>>>>
>>>>>586 Melbourne W2 Stored unserviceable at Pier 80; status uncertain
>>>>>
>>>>>737 Brussels (PCC) Repainted as a Zurich car and displayed 4 June
>>>>>2005;
>>>>>still undergoing electrical/mechanical restoration (change since
>>>>>last
>>>>>report)
>>>>>
>>>>>798 Market Street Ry Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>>>>>
>>>>>952 New Orleans In service
>>>>>
>>>>>3557 Hamburg Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>>first or
>>>>>second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ex-Newark, NJ PCCs purchased July 2004. All except 14 sent to
>>>>>Brookville
>>>>>Equipment Company for rehab. Muni fleet numbers to be 1070-1080.
>>>>>
>>>>>2 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>>
>>>>>11 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>>
>>>>>12 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>>
>>>>>14 Newark At Muni Geneva Yard. To be forwarded to Brookville
>>>>>Equipment
>>>>>for rehab later in 2005
>>>>>
>>>>>17 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>>
>>>>>19 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>>
>>>>>21 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>>
>>>>>1071 Twin City Rapid Transit At Brookville Equipment for rehab;
>>>>>ex-Newark 23 (change since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1072 Mexico City At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 20
>>>>>(change
>>>>>since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1073 El Paso At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 22 (change
>>>>>since last report)
>>>>>
>>>>>1080 Los Ang. Transit Lines Delivered to Muni 11 May 2005;
>>>>>undergoing
>>>>>testing/preparation for service; ex-Newark 9 (change since last
>>>>>report)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Stockpiled PCCs
>>>>>
>>>>>1006 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>>first
>>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1008 "Torpedo" work car Operable; at Geneva Yard; on list of first
>>>>>group
>>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1009 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first
>>>>>group
>>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1011 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first
>>>>>group
>>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1023 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1026 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1027 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1028 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1031 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1033 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>>first
>>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1034 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>>first
>>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1038 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1039 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>>first
>>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1040 "Baby Ten" Stored serviceable at Geneva Yard; on list of first
>>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>>
>>>>>1064 ex-Phila. 2133 Out of service; moved to Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1103 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1106 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1108 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1115 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1125 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1130 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1139 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1140 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1146 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Being moved to Muni from Clear Lake, IA
>>>>>
>>>>>1158 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1160 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>>
>>>>>1168 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>1704 St. Louis Out of service but operable; moved to Marin Division
>>>>>March 30, 2004
>>>>>
>>>>>2147 Ex-SEPTA PCC Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>>
>>>>>4008 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>>>>>
>>>>>4009 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Fred Schneider wrote:
>>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the
>>>>>>Mattapan -
>>>>>>Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
>>>>>>station is rebuilt. Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
>>>>>>whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded. The
>>>>>>field
>>>>>>shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore they
>>>>>>will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet PCC
>>>>>>specifications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
>>>>>>that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would
>>>>>>change
>>>>>>the performance specification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal
>>>>>>scheduled
>>>>>>service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
>>>>>>like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>was manufactured according to PCC patents. The trucks are
>>>>>>totally new
>>>>>>and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars. The
>>>>>>control package is also totally new and electronic, not a
>>>>>>resistance
>>>>>>control scheme. I would be hard pressed to call them PCC cars.
>>>>>>There
>>>>>>may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not been sold
>>>>>>off or
>>>>>>rebuilt by SEPTA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
>>>>>>future use, I think in Bayonne.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
>>>>>>fleet. I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there. There are
>>>>>>many
>>>>>>of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981
>>>>>>General
>>>>>>Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in acceleration
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>also screwed up the braking response. Like the Boston cars, they
>>>>>>too
>>>>>>no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you would have a hard
>>>>>>time
>>>>>>explaining to a non technical mind that they are not true PCCs. I
>>>>>>think there are also a few of the original Muni Torpedos still
>>>>>>running, and they probably are as close to original as you get
>>>>>>today
>>>>>>for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
>>>>>>>>other US Cities running PCCs cars at this time??. I thought
>>>>>>>>Boston
>>>>>>>>was, but was told differently. Also a number of cities,
>>>>>>>>Tampa,
>>>>>>>>Charlotte Memphis and others have opened new lines what type of
>>>>>>>>cars
>>>>>>>>are they running? New or refurbished?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also being a member of PTM, is there any plans to extend the
>>>>>>>>trackage or right of way or is the basic track layout going to be
>>>>>>>>maintained:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jerry Matsick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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