[PRCo] Re: SF-Muni
Jim Holland
prcopcc at p-r-co.com
Wed Jan 17 17:42:45 EST 2007
1017 is a Baby Ten -- 1016--1040;
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1006--1015 are DE Torps.
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None of the "Original" Muni cars were renumbered. The Muni
1101-series car, which is ex-SLPS, was painted in SLPS colors and
returned to its original SLPS number
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1050 is the start of the Septic series and either 1070 or 1080 startrs
the eNewark, ex-TCRT cars!!
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Jim___Holland
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Fred Schneider wrote:
>1017. 1015 and 1010 are unrenumbered Torpedos? Were any of the Muni
>cars renumbered and were all the Inepta or Septic system cars added
>in above 1040?
>On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>>GPS announces stops -- probably much else it can do that we
>>aren't told!!
>>.
>>1040 is the last SF-Muni Ten -- Tens above that are either Septic
>>or NJ.
>>
>>
>>Fred Schneider wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>GPS so that the motorman can't take it home to lunch? <BG> Is
>>>this a new dispatching system so the car's whereabouts are known
>>>constantly?
>>>
>>>Which of the cars came from INEPTA and which came from MUNI?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Included is a listing of ALL Historical SF-Muni TrolleyCars As of
>>>>2005.06.06 -- 1.5 years ago -- will be difficult to find more
>>>>recent
>>>>listing. This is from Peter Ehrlich who used to be a member
>>>>of the
>>>>Pittsburgh list. SF has 4008 and 4009
>>>>
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi, gang!
>>>>
>>>>Here is the status of F-Line equipment, as of June 5, 2005. Cars
>>>>listed
>>>>as "out of service" are requiring repairs lasting longer than 5
>>>>work days.
>>>>
>>>>All active PCCs and Milan cars except 1807 now have GPS installed.
>>>>
>>>>Changes since last report: 1007; 1010; 1015; 1051; 1060; 1807; 1814;
>>>>1818; 1; 228; 496; 1080 (ex-Newark 9); 1071 (ex-Newark 23); 1072
>>>>(ex-Newark 20); 1073 (ex-Newark 22)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Milantram
>>>>
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PCCs
>>>>
>>>>1007 Philadelphia Suburban In service (change since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1010 Muni Blue/Gold Out of service in May 2005 for motor change
>>>>(change
>>>>since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1015 Illinois Terminal Out of service Jan 2005; roof rebuilt;
>>>>controller
>>>>problems (change since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1050 Muni Wings In service
>>>>
>>>>1051 Muni Simplified Out of service 30 May 2005; roof rebuilding
>>>>(change
>>>>since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1052 Los Angeles Railway In service
>>>>
>>>>1053 Brooklyn In service
>>>>
>>>>1054 Philadelphia Silver Wrecked 11/16/03; moved to Marin Division
>>>>2 Mar
>>>>05 pending retirement
>>>>
>>>>1055 Philadelphia Green In service
>>>>
>>>>1056 Kansas City Wrecked 8/25/01; moved into Geneva Body Shop late
>>>>January 2004
>>>>
>>>>1057 Cincinnati In service
>>>>
>>>>1058 Chicago In service
>>>>
>>>>1059 Boston In service
>>>>
>>>>1060 Philadelphia Silver Returned to service 26 May 2005 (change
>>>>since
>>>>last report)
>>>>
>>>>1061 Pacific Electric In service
>>>>
>>>>1062 Louisville In service
>>>>
>>>>1063 Baltimore In service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Milan cars
>>>>
>>>>1807 Milan (ex-1507) Out of service 2 June 2005; gearbox problems
>>>>(change since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1811 Milan (ex-1911) In service; painted Milan 1928 yellow/white
>>>>1814
>>>>Milan In service March 2005 (change since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1815 Milan (ex-1515) In service
>>>>
>>>>1818 Milan Out of service May 2005; motor problems (change since
>>>>last
>>>>report)
>>>>
>>>>1834 Milan Training service only
>>>>
>>>>1856 Milan (ex-1556) In service
>>>>
>>>>1859 Milan In service
>>>>
>>>>1888 Milan (ex-1588) Wrecked 12/11/03
>>>>
>>>>1893 Milan (ex-1793) In service
>>>>
>>>>1895 Milan (ex-1795) In service
>>>>
>>>>1979 Milan Out of service (parts car). Body at Pier 72. Front end
>>>>to be
>>>>used for rebuild of 1888
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Vintage cars
>>>>
>>>>1 Muni A-Type Returned to service May 2005 (change since last
>>>>report)
>>>>
>>>>106 Moscow/Orel Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>>>>
>>>>130 Muni B-Type In service
>>>>
>>>>151 Hankai/Osaka Stored serviceable at Pier 80; on list of first
>>>>group
>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>162 Muni B-Type Moved to Geneva Shops September 12, 2004; in Muni
>>>>Electronics shop for continued restoration work and LVPS
>>>>installation
>>>>
>>>>189 Oporto Restoration stopped; body moved inside Marin Division;
>>>>truck
>>>>moved to Pier 80
>>>>
>>>>228 Blackpool "Boat" In engineering for brake tests (change since
>>>>last
>>>>report)
>>>>
>>>>351 Johnstown Stored unserviceable at Mint Yard; on list of first or
>>>>second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>496 Melbourne W2 Returned to service 4 June 2005 (change since last
>>>>report)
>>>>
>>>>578J Kobe/Hiroshima To be transported to Seattle in 2005 for hand
>>>>brake
>>>>installation and other work; not yet departed property
>>>>
>>>>578S Market Street Ry Held out of service (ADA issues)
>>>>
>>>>586 Melbourne W2 Stored unserviceable at Pier 80; status uncertain
>>>>
>>>>737 Brussels (PCC) Repainted as a Zurich car and displayed 4 June
>>>>2005;
>>>>still undergoing electrical/mechanical restoration (change since
>>>>last
>>>>report)
>>>>
>>>>798 Market Street Ry Undergoing restoration at Mint Yard by MSR
>>>>
>>>>952 New Orleans In service
>>>>
>>>>3557 Hamburg Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>first or
>>>>second group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ex-Newark, NJ PCCs purchased July 2004. All except 14 sent to
>>>>Brookville
>>>>Equipment Company for rehab. Muni fleet numbers to be 1070-1080.
>>>>
>>>>2 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>
>>>>11 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>
>>>>12 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>
>>>>14 Newark At Muni Geneva Yard. To be forwarded to Brookville
>>>>Equipment
>>>>for rehab later in 2005
>>>>
>>>>17 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>
>>>>19 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>
>>>>21 Newark At Brookville Equipment for rehab
>>>>
>>>>1071 Twin City Rapid Transit At Brookville Equipment for rehab;
>>>>ex-Newark 23 (change since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1072 Mexico City At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 20
>>>>(change
>>>>since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1073 El Paso At Brookville Equipment for rehab; ex-Newark 22 (change
>>>>since last report)
>>>>
>>>>1080 Los Ang. Transit Lines Delivered to Muni 11 May 2005;
>>>>undergoing
>>>>testing/preparation for service; ex-Newark 9 (change since last
>>>>report)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Stockpiled PCCs
>>>>
>>>>1006 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>first
>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1008 "Torpedo" work car Operable; at Geneva Yard; on list of first
>>>>group
>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1009 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first
>>>>group
>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1011 "Torpedo" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72; on list of first
>>>>group
>>>>of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1023 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1026 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1027 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1028 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1031 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1033 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>first
>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1034 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>first
>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1038 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1039 "Baby Ten" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division; on list of
>>>>first
>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1040 "Baby Ten" Stored serviceable at Geneva Yard; on list of first
>>>>group of cars to next be rebuilt for service
>>>>
>>>>1064 ex-Phila. 2133 Out of service; moved to Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1103 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1106 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1108 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1115 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1125 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1130 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1139 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1140 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1146 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Being moved to Muni from Clear Lake, IA
>>>>
>>>>1158 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1160 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Marin Division
>>>>
>>>>1168 Ex-St. Louis "1100" Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>1704 St. Louis Out of service but operable; moved to Marin Division
>>>>March 30, 2004
>>>>
>>>>2147 Ex-SEPTA PCC Stored unserviceable at Pier 72
>>>>
>>>>4008 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>>>>
>>>>4009 Pittsburgh Stored unserviceable at Marin Yard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Fred Schneider wrote:
>>>>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the
>>>>>Mattapan -
>>>>>Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
>>>>>station is rebuilt. Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
>>>>>whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded. The
>>>>>field
>>>>>shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore they
>>>>>will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet PCC
>>>>>specifications.
>>>>>
>>>>>Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
>>>>>that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would
>>>>>change
>>>>>the performance specification.
>>>>>
>>>>>Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal
>>>>>scheduled
>>>>>service.
>>>>>
>>>>>Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
>>>>>like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,
>>>>>that
>>>>>was manufactured according to PCC patents. The trucks are
>>>>>totally new
>>>>>and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars. The
>>>>>control package is also totally new and electronic, not a
>>>>>resistance
>>>>>control scheme. I would be hard pressed to call them PCC cars.
>>>>>There
>>>>>may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not been sold
>>>>>off or
>>>>>rebuilt by SEPTA.
>>>>>
>>>>>New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
>>>>>future use, I think in Bayonne.
>>>>>
>>>>>And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
>>>>>fleet. I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there. There are
>>>>>many
>>>>>of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981
>>>>>General
>>>>>Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in acceleration
>>>>>and
>>>>>also screwed up the braking response. Like the Boston cars, they
>>>>>too
>>>>>no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you would have a hard
>>>>>time
>>>>>explaining to a non technical mind that they are not true PCCs. I
>>>>>think there are also a few of the original Muni Torpedos still
>>>>>running, and they probably are as close to original as you get
>>>>>today
>>>>>for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
>>>>>>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
>>>>>>>other US Cities running PCCs cars at this time??. I thought
>>>>>>>Boston
>>>>>>>was, but was told differently. Also a number of cities,
>>>>>>>Tampa,
>>>>>>>Charlotte Memphis and others have opened new lines what type of
>>>>>>>cars
>>>>>>>are they running? New or refurbished?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also being a member of PTM, is there any plans to extend the
>>>>>>>trackage or right of way or is the basic track layout going to be
>>>>>>>maintained:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry Matsick
>>>>>>>
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