[PRCo] Re: PRCo] Re: Europa (Foreign Languages)

[Ken & Tracie]

But let me add, that while I agree that knowing more than one language is 
beneficial, I still expect people who move to the U.S. as permanent 
residents to learn English.

It would be wrong of me to move myself and my family to Berlin and expect 
the locals to learn English.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken & Tracie" <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo] Re: Europa (Foreign Languages)


> Nothing new here, Fred,
>
> The Milwaukee Public School system started introducing sixth grade 
> students
> to Spanish during 1971-'72. They did this via a television program shown 
> in
> class over the local PBS station. Then the kids practiced the lesson with
> their teachers.
>
> The idea behind it was a belief that Spanish was considered the second 
> most
> influential language in the world and that trade would increase between
> South and North America.
>
> I cannot recall anybody complaining about it.
>
> This all occurred while Milwaukee winding down from all German 
> neighborhoods
> with German signs in the windows of German stores on Vliet, State and 
> upper
> North Third Streets.  There were several German newspapers and at least 
> one
> German radio program ("Fritz the Plumber").
>
> Mass was celebrated in Polish as well as Italian and English. Latin was a
> common thread at church.
>
> Most Milwaukeeans of German descent were Lutheran. You found more German
> Catholics in Chicago, Cleveland and Detroit than in Southeastern 
> Wisconsin.
>
> The upscale subdivision of Washington Heights (or Washington Highland, I
> forget the name at the moment), was going to be named "Kaiser Heights" by
> the German planner. WW I put an end to that idea. But the crafty guy had 
> the
> last word. The streets were laid out in such a way which forms the shape 
> of
> a German helmet
>
> This was realized via aerial photography, though studying the layout would
> have made it obvious. Look at an aerial photo of Wauwatosa (an older
> "streetcar suburb") and you can easily pick it out.
>
> How can I tie this into traction? Lots of Polish immigrants used to say,
> "Where the streetcar bends the corner around" rather than saying,  "Where
> the streetcar turns the corner."
>
> Oh, and Roberta Hill loved taking photos of Pittsburgh streetcars using
> churches as backdrops. ;-)
>
> K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:17 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo] Re: Europa (Foreign Languages)
>
>
>> Correct.   But rather than work with our neighbors, we have people in
>> this country who fight teaching Spanish.  The Puerto Ricans think
>> that learning English compromises their culture.   And the Quebecois
>> delberately attempt to prevent English instruction until after age 10
>> when it is impractical to learn a language.   Sad.   N'est pas?
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Richard Allman wrote:
>>
>>> the political scientists will tell you that language differences
>>> are the
>>> most irreconcillable-maybe even more than religion. think about it-
>>> if you
>>> can't talk to your neighbor, building community becomes a challenge
>>> and
>>> suspicion of "otherness" rises to the top of the pond. Just look @
>>> Belgium-threatened w/ break-up despite relative prosperity, the
>>> always-
>>> strong separatist movement in Quebec, w/ some thoroughly vile
>>> demagoguery,
>>> what happened in old USSR, the Balkans, Kuridsh regions of Iran, Iraq,
>>> Turkey-some religious and ehtnic baggage for sure, but where
>>> dialogue is
>>> impossible, all else breaks down.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo] Re: Europa (Foreign Languages)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry about that.   I was quoting a rather upset member of the
>>>> Canadian diplomatic service who I met at the Baltimore Streetcar
>>>> Museum.   When I asked him about politics, we went ballistic.
>>>>
>>>> But within your commentary I feel a certain dissatisfaction too.
>>>> Sad isn't it that politicians in any country feel that they can only
>>>> get support from their constituents if they are running someone else
>>>> down.   Sort of like the newspapers which can only make money if they
>>>> print bad news.   And the churches who are always right ... my church
>>>> that is, your church is always wrong, or so it seems.   <BG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 9, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Joshua Dunfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred Schneider wrote:
>>>>>> And then we have 12 million people in Quebec and some others in New
>>>>>> Brunswick and Nova Scotia who would like to break away from Canada.
>>>>>> And if they do, then there is another group of Canadians in the
>>>>>> prairie provinces who think more like the USA to the south.
>>>>>> Crazy,
>>>>>> isn't it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quebec doesn't have 12 million people, much less 12 million
>>>>> separatists; they got two chances to pass a referendum and
>>>>> failed both times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Language is certainly a political issue here (I moved to Montreal
>>>>> a few weeks ago).  One of the former Parti Quebecois governments
>>>>> even banned commercial signs in English.  Eventually it was struck
>>>>> down by the courts, but they allowed a "reasonable compromise":
>>>>> now French just has to be at least twice as big on signs.  And
>>>>> despite
>>>>> having caused an exodus of English Canadians from Montreal in the
>>>>> '80s,
>>>>> so that English is now definitely a minority language in the city,
>>>>> the separatist politicians still rant and rave about how if they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> do this, that and the other to support French (which really means
>>>>> suppressing English), French will vanish instantly.  The latest
>>>>> threat
>>>>> that will magically destroy French in Quebec is immigrants, who are
>>>>> supposedly all learning English and not French.  There's no data
>>>>> to back this up, but who needs facts?
>>>>>
>>>>> -j.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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