[PRCo] Re: Downtown Pittsburgh TrolleyCar Routing_--_1920--1930

[Jim Holland]

Here is the Interurban routing from pg.11 of the 1952  
*_Electric_Railroads_*  reprint on PRCo Interurbans:::
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Dec_01_1904 Interurban Terminal 3rd // Wood.
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1905.08.xx - Interurban terminal moved to Union (PRR)
.......Station, the route was Smithfield, Liberty,
.......Station, Liberty, Wood, Water, Smithfield Bridge.
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[Assumed that the Interurban looped at the Station via 12th & Penn & 
11th or something similar Although At This Early Date a Loop like 
Simmons near the station could be quite possible.]
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Next Year  [1906]  route Smithfield, Liberty, Grant,
.......7th, Liberty, Wood, Water, Smithfield Bridge.
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Nothing more is said of the Interurban routing

Jim Holland wrote:
>
> That being said  --  Mark's Guess about East End routes coming to B&O 
> struck a real cord  --  THE Long Distance travel of the day was Train 
> and Boat - Others?     Certainly see the importance of TrolleyCars 
> serving the Stations // Piers as well as Businesses for workers and 
> Markets // Retail for shoppers.     Lettuce use a Committee Approach 
> which will  *-Possibly-*  involve Much Detail and some frustration we 
> know from the start that it can be an exercise which produces 
> desirable results~!~!~!
> .
> With this in mind we can look at the maps of the day, photos, consider 
> knowledge of habits, customs, etc. and formulate an Hypothesis of 
> possible routings downtown and then check this against the Scrawl on 
> the route cards for verification or refutation of same~!~!~!     
> Sounds like a challenge for Mark's next visit to PTM  --  mebbe he 
> won't be so quick to respond here~!~!~!
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> First, lets examine this photo again::
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> http://tinyurl.com/yszthh
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> Note that the turn from Liberty To Grant Starts before the turn from 
> 11th to Liberty  --  thus coming from 11th the only option is Liberty 
> - not possible to turn into Grant.
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> Lettuce use the map supplied by Bob Netzlof for the Water // 
> Smithfield intersection which allows a TrolleyCar to travel from Grant 
> to Water to Wood  (turn to south onto Smithfield Bridge Not There:::)
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> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pgh1.gif
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> At the other end of Smithfield we have the first Tiny below and the 
> other two show intersections for Smithfield and Wood south to 3rd:
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> http://tinyurl.com/2xej83
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> http://tinyurl.com/yq4sg3
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> http://tinyurl.com/yohw8s
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> Thus a Northbound TrolleyCar on the Smithfield Bridge has two options 
> for inbound running::
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> .......Water to Grant
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> .......Smithfield
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> A TrolleyCar returning to the Smithfield Bridge southbound has only 2 
> options as well:
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> .......Smithfield
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> .......Wood.
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> *-Maybe-*  The interurbans turn to Water Grant and thus come close to 
> three RR stations.     Interurbans could return by either Smithfield 
> or Wood.     Believe the 1952 reprint of PRCo Interurbans has a 
> variety of routings used over time, some quite convoluted, but don't 
> have the time to check now.
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> City TrolleyCars like 38, 39, 40, 42, 44 could use Smithfield inbound 
> to Liberty to 12th  (I~F  turn exists there~!~!) Penn 11th Liberty 
> Smithfield and back to bridge!~!~!     Direct connection to 3 RR 
> stations~!~!     City trolleys could also turn at 7th to Liberty to 
> Wood to water to Smithfield Bridge.       Variety of Options.
> .
> .
> Please accept the above, and extensions of the above as members see 
> fit, as a challenge to see if we understand the customs, thoughts, 
> actions etc. of the Railway / People of that era.     We can only form 
> an hypothesis  --  again, we must check this against the Scrawled 
> route cards for veracity~!~!
> .
> I~F someone doesn't want to participate  --  that is fine  --  just 
> don't participate  --  a comment to that end Is Not Necessary and 
> disparaging comments are out of line.
> .
> Now watch Ed // John chime in and recite routing From Memory~!~!~!
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-- 
*Jim Holland*

Studying *Pittsburgh Railways Company*

....................From 1930 -- 1950

*Pennsylvania Trolley Museum (PTM)*

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