[PRCo] Re: Ancient trolley cars

[John Swindler]

Correct on rebuilds of 1601 series, Philip.  1616/1776 was an Early Action program rebuild, which was funded to overhaul 70 PCC cars in the 1700 series, plus Skybus and several other items.  The rest of the 1601 series that were overhauled were under a different project.  And the proposed 4000s were a third PCC funded rebuilding program.
 
Somewhere there is a printout listing what quarterly inspection stickers went on LRVs and PCC cars during the 1980s/early 1990s.  That tells generally when cleared to enter service and an estimate of when no longer needed for public service.  There's also GOH data as documentation for the SEPTA PCC cars at PTM.
 
John
 
 
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:13:00 -0700> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Ancient trolley cars> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > ----- Original Message ----> > > From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:17:42 AM> > Subject: [PRCo] Ancient trolley cars> > > > > > Now the 1600s. Seems to be that they were out of service about > > 1972? Correct? That is about 27 years? Aside from the 1700, > > they lasted longer than any other Pittsburgh PCC cars.> > Wrong Mr.Schneider. 1972 is the date of the 'General Overhaul' (to use a term) of trolleys by pat in Pittsburgh isn't it. This is when 1730 made its debut as Sunburst car. Subsequently a number of 1601s were overhauled and renumbered 1776 (ex-1616) and higher because of equipment shortage weren't they. Not taking time to look for 'official' last day of 1601s but it is into the 1980's isn't it, maybe a few into the 1990s.> > > > Rich: What month did 9000 go into public service in Philadelphia in > > 1980? Has it passed the 28 year mark yet? Is it in service? > > When did the last car go into service?> > > > One thing is certain, it is older than any PCC that ever ran on the > > streets in Washington, Baltimore, Dallas, Los Angeles, Detroit, > > Montreal, Chicago, Vancouver, Minneapolis, St.Louis, San Diego, > > Birmingham, Cincinnati, Kansas City.> > > And? The attitude of the 1940s and forward was hatred toward streetcars as obsolete antiques wasn't it so they were abandoned even shortly after going into service - Minneapolis and Detroit come to mind don't they; Chicago converted the cars to Els. The PCCs didn't stand a chance of 'turning gray' in such an atmosphere did they. It was politics of some sort which killed off the streetcars.> > Even today, and even in Kawasaki town, Septa has a distinct dislike for rail and has made many different attempts at abandoning surface rail. Rail was a fad which took off nation wide in the 1970s; 'now' it is more of a necessity.> > > Phil> > > > > > 
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