[PRCo] Re: Ancient trolley cars

[Richard Allman]

only Phila. w/ the Kawasakis. Too bad no one else-very reliable cars that 
have had a mid-life rebuild.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry MATT Matsick" <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Ancient trolley cars


> PCC cars was it the technical/mechanical side or nostalgia that kept these
> beautiful cars running (even today they look great).   The Kawasaki in 
> Philly,
> is that the only city using them?
> Jerry Matsick
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> -------------- Original message from John Swindler 
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> After about 15 years it's time for a rebuilding. That hasn't changed much 
> in
>> past 100 years.
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>> John
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>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> From: fwschneider at comcast.net> 
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Ancient trolley cars> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 
>> > 13:17:42 -0400> > This is an open letter to Rich Allman and Ed Lybarger 
>> > ...> > I recently became aware that the Philly Kawasaki or K-cars (the 
>> > 9000s > and 100s on Red Arrow) have lasted in service longer than any 
>> > PCC > cars in Pittsburgh except for perhaps the 1700s.> > Now let's 
>> > address the 1700s... What day in 1948 or 1949 did the > first one enter 
>> > revenue service, Ed? And what day in 1999 did the > last one go out of 
>> > service? Did 1700 get a full 50 years of > service? Did any car get 50 
>> > years?> > Now the 1600s. Seems to be that they were out of service 
>> > about > 1972? Correct? That is about 27 years? Aside from the 1700, > 
>> > they lasted longer than any other Pittsburgh PCC cars.> > Rich: What 
>> > month did 9000 go into public service in
>> Philadelphia in > 1980? Has it passed the 28 year mark yet? Is it in 
>> service? >
>> When did the last car go into servi!
>> ce?> > One thing is certain, it is older than any PCC that ever ran on 
>> the >
>> streets in Washington, Baltimore, Dallas, Los Angeles, Detroit, > 
>> Montreal,
>> Chicago, Vancouver, Minneapolis, St.Louis, San Diego, > Birmingham, 
>> Cincinnati,
>> Kansas City.> > The only PCCs that I can think of that have run longer 
>> than a
>> K-car > are those many times rebuilt war-time cars in Boston (65 years 
>> old >
>> this year), a couple of all-electrics in Toronto in excursion > service, 
>> the F
>> line fleet in San Francisco that is pushing 60 years > old, and the El 
>> Paso cars
>> that got up to about 38 years and the > Pittsburgh Westinghouse 1700s 
>> that got
>> to 50 years and a bunch of > crap cars that SEPTA was running after the 
>> GOH
>> program. I am not > counting the current cars on Girard because they do 
>> not have
>> PCC > trucks and the electrical components are all new and most of the 
>> body >
>> parts are all new ... I count them as "budget new cars." >
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