[PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914

[Fred Schneider]

Phil:

I looked for a material to answer you ... am missing a few North Side  
Route cards.   Route 17 might have been what was later 16 but I am  
missing cards.  Remember the Superior Shadeland transfer?

Why Allegheny?   It was a separate city until 1907 and old  
distinctions die hard.   Didn't CERA just publish a book on the  
Philadelphia and Western Railway, notwithstanding that that the P&W  
disappeared as a corporation about 1953?   We still call it the P&W  
though.   My grandmother felt she lived in Allegheny until she moved  
out in 1962.

Knoxville 3rd Ave is a short turn of Knoxville.

43 Neeld short turned at Neeld Avenue on the 42 Dormont (and later  
42/38 line).   That loop was used into the PAT era.   The loop was  
still there in the 1970s.

The 46 you are talking about was renumbered after World War II to 48  
Arlington.

The need for an 89 Frankstown 22nd Street line?   I guess we have to  
define what a city is but you will again tell me I am patronizing  
you.   Look at the note I posted yesterday in which I suggested that  
there were probably 50,000 jobs in seven companies between Homestead  
and Wilmerding.   Well, there were also a whole flock of jobs in the  
strip district that required tripper cars in bound at certain hours  
on 94, 95, 96, 86, 88.  Think of Crane Plumbing at 25th St.,  
Armstrong Cork Company at 24th St., the Pennsylvania Railroad engine  
house at 28th St. Before moving to Wilmerding, Westinghouse Air Brake  
was in the Strip District.  There were a lot of food warehouses there  
and still are.  Remember that there was also an incline that hauled  
people from Bedford (Herron Hill) down to 17th Street to go to work  
down there.

Last month Linn Moedinger wrote in Trains magazine that the Strasburg  
Rail Road has moved beyond the nostalgia era and is now in the  
entertainment and education business.   So are all the trolley  
museums that want to stay in business.   We don't have people  
bringing their kids or grandchildren any longer to show them what it  
used to be like.   They're gone.   Now we have to explain to them  
what cities were like.  What it was like to shop every day for  
perishables because you had an icebox instead of a freezer.  What it  
was like to go to a movie every week for entrainment because you had  
no television and no radio.  And what it was like to live in a row  
house and ride the trolley to the stores, to work, to church, to the  
theater and to the cemetery to put flowers on the graves on Sunday.    
People just don't know.   There is no memory any longer.

In the last 20 years I've watched the memory disappear!

On Jun 7, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:35:31 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914
>>
>> Attached are two files that together contain the entire  
>> advertisement that
>> appeared in the Pittsburgh Post on April 7, 1914 on behalf of  
>> Pittsburgh
>> Railways Company.  It outlines the new destination numbers that  
>> went into
>> effect April 1, 1914.
>>
>> I think it's apparent that not all routes reveived destination  
>> numbers at
>> this time...probably had to do with traffic volumes, or perhaps  
>> with hours
>> of operations.  Someone needs to read the news reports from the  
>> first of
>> April.
>>
>> Or perhaps this was all a big April Fool's joke?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% 
> 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Top.jpg
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> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% 
> 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Bottom.jpg
>
> These are interesting Mr.Lybarger.
>
> Where would 17-High Bridge be on the North Side?  One tends to  
> associate high bridges with the East End.
>
> Assume the 21-Nunnery Hill is latter day Fineview.  Why the  
> distinction of Allegheny only?
>
> Do you know why Fair Haven was so noted on the Interurbans?  Why  
> would this location be important - then?  It has lost its  
> distinction today hasn't it.
>
> It would also seem that 42-Beechview and 43-Neeld would be the  
> same; what's the difference?
>
> What would be the significance of the 45-Knoxville 3rd Ave?  Short  
> Turn?  Downtown routings for various lines obviously changed a  
> number of times and maybe the 44 didn't go to the Union or PRR  
> station at this time.  I did see something somewhere that the 50- 
> Carson was at one time routed to PRR didn't I.
>
> 49-Beltzhoover is clearly indicated yet PCCs carried 46-Brownsville  
> for quite some time and the 46 here is different isn't it.
>
> The 72 and 92 seemed to be 'paired' as do the the 79 and 91 - very  
> interesting - also shows bidirectional traffic along Penn.
>
> Also interesting are the 89-Frankstown/22nd-St and 95-Sharpsburg/ 
> 22nd-St - curious about the needs for this service.
>
> Phil
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