[PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

----- Original Message ----
> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 7:36:14 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914
> 
> Phil:
> 
> 43 Neeld short turned at Neeld Avenue on the 42 Dormont (and later  
> 42/38 line).   That loop was used into the PAT era.   The loop was  
> still there in the 1970s.

Maybe I didn't make this plain did I.  The listing in the scans provided by Mr.Lybarger are thus:

42-Beechview
43-Neeld

Both seem to be identical at least in name don't they.  I would thus  'assume'  (you don't like that word do you)  that 42-Beechview went to the wye.
>
>
> The need for an 89 Frankstown 22nd Street line?   I guess we have to  
> define what a city is but you will again tell me I am patronizing  
> you.   Look at the note I posted yesterday in which I suggested that  
> there were probably 50,000 jobs in seven companies between Homestead  
> and Wilmerding.   Well, there were also a whole flock of jobs in the  
> strip district that required tripper cars in bound at certain hours  
> on 94, 95, 96, 86, 88.  Think of Crane Plumbing at 25th St.,  
> Armstrong Cork Company at 24th St., the Pennsylvania Railroad engine  
> house at 28th St. Before moving to Wilmerding, Westinghouse Air Brake  
> was in the Strip District.  There were a lot of food warehouses there  
> and still are.  Remember that there was also an incline that hauled  
> people from Bedford (Herron Hill) down to 17th Street to go to work  
> down there.
> 
I asked about the needs and this seems to cover it, thank you.  Also adds dimension to the two clockwise/counter-clockwise routes that ran through here as well.  This was a much busier place at one time wasn't it.



> Last month Linn Moedinger wrote in Trains magazine that the Strasburg  
> Rail Road has moved beyond the nostalgia era and is now in the  
> entertainment and education business.   So are all the trolley  
> museums that want to stay in business.   We don't have people  
> bringing their kids or grandchildren any longer to show them what it  
> used to be like.   They're gone.   Now we have to explain to them  
> what cities were like.  What it was like to shop every day for  
> perishables because you had an icebox instead of a freezer.  What it  
> was like to go to a movie every week for entrainment because you had  
> no television and no radio.  And what it was like to live in a row  
> house and ride the trolley to the stores, to work, to church, to the  
> theater and to the cemetery to put flowers on the graves on Sunday.    
> People just don't know.   There is no memory any longer.
> 
> In the last 20 years I've watched the memory disappear!
> 
> On Jun 7, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
> 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger 
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:35:31 AM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914
> >>
> >> Attached are two files that together contain the entire  
> >> advertisement that
> >> appeared in the Pittsburgh Post on April 7, 1914 on behalf of  
> >> Pittsburgh
> >> Railways Company.  It outlines the new destination numbers that  
> >> went into
> >> effect April 1, 1914.
> >>
> >> I think it's apparent that not all routes reveived destination  
> >> numbers at
> >> this time...probably had to do with traffic volumes, or perhaps  
> >> with hours
> >> of operations.  Someone needs to read the news reports from the  
> >> first of
> >> April.
> >>
> >> Or perhaps this was all a big April Fool's joke?
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% 
> > 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Top.jpg
> >>
> >>
> > http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% 
> > 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Bottom.jpg
> >
> > These are interesting Mr.Lybarger.
> >
> > Where would 17-High Bridge be on the North Side?  One tends to  
> > associate high bridges with the East End.
> >
> > Assume the 21-Nunnery Hill is latter day Fineview.  Why the  
> > distinction of Allegheny only?
> >
> > Do you know why Fair Haven was so noted on the Interurbans?  Why  
> > would this location be important - then?  It has lost its  
> > distinction today hasn't it.
> >
> > It would also seem that 42-Beechview and 43-Neeld would be the  
> > same; what's the difference?
> >
> > What would be the significance of the 45-Knoxville 3rd Ave?  Short  
> > Turn?  Downtown routings for various lines obviously changed a  
> > number of times and maybe the 44 didn't go to the Union or PRR  
> > station at this time.  I did see something somewhere that the 50- 
> > Carson was at one time routed to PRR didn't I.
> >
> > 49-Beltzhoover is clearly indicated yet PCCs carried 46-Brownsville  
> > for quite some time and the 46 here is different isn't it.
> >
> > The 72 and 92 seemed to be 'paired' as do the the 79 and 91 - very  
> > interesting - also shows bidirectional traffic along Penn.
> >
> > Also interesting are the 89-Frankstown/22nd-St and 95-Sharpsburg/ 
> > 22nd-St - curious about the needs for this service.
> >
> > Phil