[PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914

[John Swindler]

Ed's scan on route numbers is only part of the picture.  Then go to Lewis' 1923 city guide to add to the picture.  Then go to page 39 (if memory serves) of 1917 Pittsburgh transit survey for more of the picture.  Both available on internet.  
 
Then to add some color to picture, go to newspaper microfilm collections, PTM archives, and PUC/PSC documents.  Picture still won't be complete, but most of the 'canvas' will be filled in.
 
John
 
 
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:18:42 -0700> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > ----- Original Message ----> > From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 7:36:14 PM> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914> > > > Phil:> > > > 43 Neeld short turned at Neeld Avenue on the 42 Dormont (and later > > 42/38 line). That loop was used into the PAT era. The loop was > > still there in the 1970s.> > Maybe I didn't make this plain did I. The listing in the scans provided by Mr.Lybarger are thus:> > 42-Beechview> 43-Neeld> > Both seem to be identical at least in name don't they. I would thus 'assume' (you don't like that word do you) that 42-Beechview went to the wye.> >> >> > The need for an 89 Frankstown 22nd Street line? I guess we have to > > define what a city is but you will again tell me I am patronizing > > you. Look at the note I posted yesterday in which I suggested that > > there were probably 50,000 jobs in seven companies between Homestead > > and Wilmerding. Well, there were also a whole flock of jobs in the > > strip district that required tripper cars in bound at certain hours > > on 94, 95, 96, 86, 88. Think of Crane Plumbing at 25th St., > > Armstrong Cork Company at 24th St., the Pennsylvania Railroad engine > > house at 28th St. Before moving to Wilmerding, Westinghouse Air Brake > > was in the Strip District. There were a lot of food warehouses there > > and still are. Remember that there was also an incline that hauled > > people from Bedford (Herron Hill) down to 17th Street to go to work > > down there.> > > I asked about the needs and this seems to cover it, thank you. Also adds dimension to the two clockwise/counter-clockwise routes that ran through here as well. This was a much busier place at one time wasn't it.> > > > > Last month Linn Moedinger wrote in Trains magazine that the Strasburg > > Rail Road has moved beyond the nostalgia era and is now in the > > entertainment and education business. So are all the trolley > > museums that want to stay in business. We don't have people > > bringing their kids or grandchildren any longer to show them what it > > used to be like. They're gone. Now we have to explain to them > > what cities were like. What it was like to shop every day for > > perishables because you had an icebox instead of a freezer. What it > > was like to go to a movie every week for entrainment because you had > > no television and no radio. And what it was like to live in a row > > house and ride the trolley to the stores, to work, to church, to the > > theater and to the cemetery to put flowers on the graves on Sunday. > > People just don't know. There is no memory any longer.> > > > In the last 20 years I've watched the memory disappear!> > > > On Jun 7, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:> > > > > ----- Original Message ----> > >> From: Edward H. Lybarger > > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:35:31 AM> > >> Subject: [PRCo] Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914> > >>> > >> Attached are two files that together contain the entire > > >> advertisement that> > >> appeared in the Pittsburgh Post on April 7, 1914 on behalf of > > >> Pittsburgh> > >> Railways Company. It outlines the new destination numbers that > > >> went into> > >> effect April 1, 1914.> > >>> > >> I think it's apparent that not all routes reveived destination > > >> numbers at> > >> this time...probably had to do with traffic volumes, or perhaps > > >> with hours> > >> of operations. Someone needs to read the news reports from the > > >> first of> > >> April.> > >>> > >> Or perhaps this was all a big April Fool's joke?> > >>> > >> Ed> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% > > > 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Top.jpg> > >>> > >>> > > http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% > > > 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Bottom.jpg> > >> > > These are interesting Mr.Lybarger.> > >> > > Where would 17-High Bridge be on the North Side? One tends to > > > associate high bridges with the East End.> > >> > > Assume the 21-Nunnery Hill is latter day Fineview. Why the > > > distinction of Allegheny only?> > >> > > Do you know why Fair Haven was so noted on the Interurbans? Why > > > would this location be important - then? It has lost its > > > distinction today hasn't it.> > >> > > It would also seem that 42-Beechview and 43-Neeld would be the > > > same; what's the difference?> > >> > > What would be the significance of the 45-Knoxville 3rd Ave? Short > > > Turn? Downtown routings for various lines obviously changed a > > > number of times and maybe the 44 didn't go to the Union or PRR > > > station at this time. I did see something somewhere that the 50- > > > Carson was at one time routed to PRR didn't I.> > >> > > 49-Beltzhoover is clearly indicated yet PCCs carried 46-Brownsville > > > for quite some time and the 46 here is different isn't it.> > >> > > The 72 and 92 seemed to be 'paired' as do the the 79 and 91 - very > > > interesting - also shows bidirectional traffic along Penn.> > >> > > Also interesting are the 89-Frankstown/22nd-St and 95-Sharpsburg/ > > > 22nd-St - curious about the needs for this service.> > >> > > Phil> > > > > > 
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