[PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914

Sun Jun 8 17:07:08 EDT 2008

I had a copy of Lewis's 1923 guide that I inherited from Grandma but  
it is one of those things that vanished when the princess threw me  
out.   Do you have a copy of the pertinent information?

On Jun 8, 2008, at 2:30 PM, John Swindler wrote:

>
> Ed's scan on route numbers is only part of the picture.  Then go to  
> Lewis' 1923 city guide to add to the picture.  Then go to page 39  
> (if memory serves) of 1917 Pittsburgh transit survey for more of  
> the picture.  Both available on internet.
>
> Then to add some color to picture, go to newspaper microfilm  
> collections, PTM archives, and PUC/PSC documents.  Picture still  
> won't be complete, but most of the 'canvas' will be filled in.
>
> John
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:18:42 -0700> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com>  
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914>  
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > ----- Original Message ---- 
>> > > From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>> > To:  
>> pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008  
>> 7:36:14 PM> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective  
>> March 1, 1914> > > > Phil:> > > > 43 Neeld short turned at Neeld  
>> Avenue on the 42 Dormont (and later > > 42/38 line). That loop was  
>> used into the PAT era. The loop was > > still there in the 1970s.>  
>> > Maybe I didn't make this plain did I. The listing in the scans  
>> provided by Mr.Lybarger are thus:> > 42-Beechview> 43-Neeld> >  
>> Both seem to be identical at least in name don't they. I would  
>> thus 'assume' (you don't like that word do you) that 42-Beechview  
>> went to the wye.> >> >> > The need for an 89 Frankstown 22nd  
>> Street line? I guess we have to > > define what a city is but you  
>> will again tell me I am!
>   patronizing > > you. Look at the note I posted yesterday in which  
> I suggested that > > there were probably 50,000 jobs in seven  
> companies between Homestead > > and Wilmerding. Well, there were  
> also a whole flock of jobs in the > > strip district that required  
> tripper cars in bound at certain hours > > on 94, 95, 96, 86, 88.  
> Think of Crane Plumbing at 25th St., > > Armstrong Cork Company at  
> 24th St., the Pennsylvania Railroad engine > > house at 28th St.  
> Before moving to Wilmerding, Westinghouse Air Brake > > was in the  
> Strip District. There were a lot of food warehouses there > > and  
> still are. Remember that there was also an incline that hauled > >  
> people from Bedford (Herron Hill) down to 17th Street to go to work  
> > > down there.> > > I asked about the needs and this seems to  
> cover it, thank you. Also adds dimension to the two clockwise/ 
> counter-clockwise routes that ran through here as well. This was a  
> much busier place at one time wasn't it.> > > > > Last month Linn Moe!
>  dinger wrote in Trains magazine that the Strasburg > > Rail Road  
> has m
> oved beyond the nostalgia era and is now in the > > entertainment  
> and education business. So are all the trolley > > museums that  
> want to stay in business. We don't have people > > bringing their  
> kids or grandchildren any longer to show them what it > > used to  
> be like. They're gone. Now we have to explain to them > > what  
> cities were like. What it was like to shop every day for > >  
> perishables because you had an icebox instead of a freezer. What it  
> > > was like to go to a movie every week for entrainment because  
> you had > > no television and no radio. And what it was like to  
> live in a row > > house and ride the trolley to the stores, to  
> work, to church, to the > > theater and to the cemetery to put  
> flowers on the graves on Sunday. > > People just don't know. There  
> is no memory any longer.> > > > In the last 20 years I've watched  
> the memory disappear!> > > > On Jun 7, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Phillip  
> Clark Campbell wrote:> > > > > ----- Original Message ----> > >>  
> From: Edward H. L!
>  ybarger > > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > >> Sent:  
> Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:35:31 AM> > >> Subject: [PRCo] Destination  
> Numbers Effective March 1, 1914> > >>> > >> Attached are two files  
> that together contain the entire > > >> advertisement that> > >>  
> appeared in the Pittsburgh Post on April 7, 1914 on behalf of > >  
> >> Pittsburgh> > >> Railways Company. It outlines the new  
> destination numbers that > > >> went into> > >> effect April 1,  
> 1914.> > >>> > >> I think it's apparent that not all routes  
> reveived destination > > >> numbers at> > >> this time...probably  
> had to do with traffic volumes, or perhaps > > >> with hours> > >>  
> of operations. Someone needs to read the news reports from the > >  
> >> first of> > >> April.> > >>> > >> Or perhaps this was all a big  
> April Fool's joke?> > >>> > >> Ed> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > http:// 
> lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% > > >  
> 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Top.jpg> > >>> > >>> > > http:// 
> lists.dementia.org/file!
>  s/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% > > > 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14% 
> 20Bot
> tom.jpg> > >> > > These are interesting Mr.Lybarger.> > >> > >  
> Where would 17-High Bridge be on the North Side? One tends to > > >  
> associate high bridges with the East End.> > >> > > Assume the 21- 
> Nunnery Hill is latter day Fineview. Why the > > > distinction of  
> Allegheny only?> > >> > > Do you know why Fair Haven was so noted  
> on the Interurbans? Why > > > would this location be important -  
> then? It has lost its > > > distinction today hasn't it.> > >> > >  
> It would also seem that 42-Beechview and 43-Neeld would be the > >  
> > same; what's the difference?> > >> > > What would be the  
> significance of the 45-Knoxville 3rd Ave? Short > > > Turn?  
> Downtown routings for various lines obviously changed a > > >  
> number of times and maybe the 44 didn't go to the Union or PRR > >  
> > station at this time. I did see something somewhere that the 50-  
> > > > Carson was at one time routed to PRR didn't I.> > >> > > 49- 
> Beltzhoover is clearly indicated yet PCCs carried 46-Brownsville >  
> > > for quite!
>   some time and the 46 here is different isn't it.> > >> > > The 72  
> and 92 seemed to be 'paired' as do the the 79 and 91 - very > > >  
> interesting - also shows bidirectional traffic along Penn.> > >> >  
> > Also interesting are the 89-Frankstown/22nd-St and 95-Sharpsburg/  
> > > > 22nd-St - curious about the needs for this service.> > >> > >  
> Phil> > > > > >
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