[PRCo] Re: First PAYE Cars

Mon Jun 30 13:21:12 EDT 2008

PAYE refers to pay as you pass the conductor when you got on the car  
as opposed to the previous system wherein you first sat down, hid  
behind your newspaper, and prayed that the condutor didn't recognized  
that you had not paid.   In the earlier scheme of things, the  
conductor came around the car collecting from passengers after they  
were seated.   The idea behind PAYE was to collect all those fares  
that were missed because people were telling the conductor, "Don't  
you remember, you already got my fare?"

The route cards do not record when PRC went to pay leave outbound and  
pay leave inbound.   They only record when they went the first route  
went to PAYE, when each route went from two-man to one-man (1926-1937  
but very few were converted after 1933), and they did record that 22  
CROSSTOWN or 85 BEDFORD-CROSSTOWN was converted to pay enter in both  
directions.  The reason behind that was that under the pay enter in/ 
pay leave out scheme there were a lot of people who got on cars and  
rode across downtown free.   Since 22 or 22/85 was only a downtown  
route, it was converted to pay enter to make sure they got their money.

But the company did not record when they went to pay enter inbound /  
pay enter outbound on the route cards.   Logically it would have been  
sometime around the conversion to one-man.  It would not have not  
worked well with cars like the 3400s after conversion to rear  
entrance), the 3500s, the 4000s or the 4100s, all of which were rear  
entrance, front exit cars.  The operative word is WELL. No one left  
to ask who rode them in the 1920s.

On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:

> Mr.Swindler!
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> Is PAYE also Pay As You Exit or is it strictly Enter?  When did PRC  
> go to pay exiting outbound?
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> Phil
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> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 5:36:13 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: First PAYE Cars
>>
>>
>> Then why do we have a list dealing with ancient history that  
>> doesn't matter???
>> (:>)
>>
>> Then again, my wife does make some occasional critical comments  
>> about spending
>> time in the past.
>>
>> From another post, route 77 was originally a Wilkinsburg route via  
>> Fifth (?)
>> Also, do you have a route 79 schedule from the 1960s?  I think PRC  
>> schedule
>> department may have used that number for Stadium-Forbes Field  
>> service.
>>
>> And I like that comment from the Sunday Parade.  Thanks.  It's a  
>> keeper.
>>
>> John
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>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] Re: First PAYE  
>>> Cars> Date: Thu,
>> 26 Jun 2008 16:42:00 -0400> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>  
>> > Or something
>> like that. It's ancient history. Does not matter. > Can't catch  
>> the car today.>
>>> Did you see the Sunday Parade magazine? "Going to the future >  
>>> without knowing
>> history is like trying to plant cut flowers."> > On Jun 26, 2008,  
>> at 3:58 PM,
>> John Swindler wrote:> > >> >> > 79 Forbes Shady Penn> > 91 Penn  
>> Shady Forbes> >>
>>> 72 Bloomfield via Forbes> > 92 Bloomfield via Penn> >> >> From:
>> j_swindler at hotmail.com> To: pittsburgh- > >>  
>> railways at dementia.org> Subject:
>> [PRCo] Re: First PAYE Cars> Date: > >> Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:12:42  
>> -0400> > >
>> Wasn't 99, but having a > >> senior moment. Will check.> > John> >  
>> From: > >>
>> fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] Re: First PAYE Cars> > >>  
>> Date: Thu, 26
>> Jun 2008 14:54:42 -0400> To: pittsburgh- > >>  
>> railways at dementia.org> > Suspect
>> it was both 79 and 99. But all > >> the details ar!
>> e missing for > the counter clockwise outside loop. > >> It is not  
>> logical that
>> one > direction would have PAYE cars and > >> the other would  
>> not.> > On Jun 25,
>> 2008, at 8:30 PM, John Swindler > >> wrote:> > >> > Was that the  
>> clockwise or
>> counterclockwise loop, > >> and if both loops, > > the other route  
>> number is
>> missing.> >> > > >> Just checking> >> > John> >> To:
>> pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > >> From: > >>  
>> fwschneider at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [PRCo] First PAYE > >> Cars> Date: > >> Wed, 25 Jun 2008  
>> 20:26:55
>> -0400> > First > >> Pittsburgh Railways line > >> to have PAYE  
>> cars? The Inside
>> and > > >> Outside Loop!> > Lines which ran > >> on Shady, Penn,  
>> Cecil Alley,
>> and Fifth > > > Avenue. In 1914 this was > >> route 79.> > They  
>> received Pay As
>> You > > Enter cars in October 1908, > >> probably the > brand new  
>> 3500s. > >
>> This was the f!> irst time you walked > >> past the > conductor  
>> and > > paid a
>> fare instead of the conductor > >> coming to you.>> > > >  
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