[PRCo] Re: 3800 Series LOST

Wed May 7 14:35:38 EDT 2008

Hi Mr.Swindler!

3756 is single end and they didn't get a DE low-floor til much later did they?  Besides, Pittsburgh Railways was mostly SE - DE equipment was sort of unusual wasn't it.

I think I have seen this topic in the archives haven't I.

Phil

----- Original Message ----
> From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 5:38:05 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3800 Series LOST
> 
> Hi Herb
> 
> Perhaps it was not a favorite car series with someone with deep pockets?  And it 
> was a single end car.  
> 
> If that was a consideration, and I would not be surprised if that was (maybe we 
> need to ask Art Ellis) it is remarkable that 1138 was saved.  But with 1138, it 
> might have been viewed as an opportunity to save a PCC before a public authority 
> took over.  And PRC, at that point, might have been willing to give 
> PTM/PRMA/PERC the benefit of the doubt and quote an attractive price.  Just 
> guessing. 
> 
> I was surprised at how few the membership was in the 1950s.  At that time, the 
> museum concept was in competition with those who's focus was taking pictures of 
> fantrip cars.  As others have said, just be thankful for what did get saved.  
> 
> Suspect there was too much scrap value in a 3800 and WP 700s to be affordable. 
> After all, wasn't the typical wage then around a buck an hour, or about $2,000 
> per year??? 
> Even 3756 barely made it to Arden.  Wasn't it a last minute acquisition by an 
> individual???  
> 
> There is a lot of speculation above that others more knowledgeable should 
> comment on.
> 
> John> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:28:35 -0700> From: hrbran at sbcglobal.net> Subject: 
> [PRCo] Re: 3800 Series LOST> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > So how does 
> this explain why PTM did not save a 3800 ??????> Fred Schneider 
> wrote: It would cost money to buy, money to move, it 
> doesn't fit in > everyone's back yard, and the neighbors don't particularly like 
> such > toys in your back yard.> > About 25 years ago Dave Hamley was projecting 
> slides for my > edification and enjoyment. Several of them showed a gasoline > 
> locomotive he once had stored in his garage in a nice suburban > neighborhood 
> outside of Pittsburgh. He had rolled it out into the > driveway for the picture. 
> In the background was a neighbor dressed > in a white shirt. Dave proceeded to 
> tell how he cranked up the > engine. When the engine fired, all of the water 
> that had > accumulated in the exhaust system came up the stack. It washed the > 
> dirt out of the muffler and stack. The neighbor's!
>   white shirt was > no longer white.. It was never again white. There was no 
> bleach on > the market that could possibly make it white. That should give > 
> insights into why your neighbor might not want any large steel > objects in your 
> yard.> > In my township such objects are simply forbidden by ordinance. We > are 
> note even permitted to work on our automobiles in our driveways > because of one 
> guy who collected too many cars.> > > On May 6, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Jerry Matt 
> Matsick wrote:> > > Content-Type: text/plain> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> 
> > Herb> > Good Buddy Mark and I often talk about the reason a 3800 series car > 
> > was> > not saved? I remember them quite well in the late 40s and early > > 50s 
> on the> > Charleroi Interurban route! A Beautiful Car!> >> > --> > From the 
> River City by the Sea!> > Jerry "Matt" Matsick> > "Jacksonville"> >> >> > 
> -------------- Original message from Herb Brannon > > > 
> ---------------------------------> : --------------> >> >> >> Since!
>   we are on the topic of "saved" PRCo cars.......> >> Why was a 3800 se
> ries interurban never saved?? They were around > >> until 1950. It> >> seems 
> someone would have tried to get one off the scrap pile.> >> Fred Schneider 
> wrote:> >> PST 14 and 78 were not operational. The other revenue fleet was> >> 
> marked in service but not everything was run. Of course that> >> excludes 4398, 
> and Pittsburgh 1100 series PCC and a whole lot of> >> stuff in the Blimp Hanger 
> which is not in the revenue fleet.> >>> >> On May 6, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Jerry 
> Matt Matsick wrote:> >>> >>> Mark M and myself wonder what "cars" actually were 
> operational this> >>> past weekend? Both of us would have given anything to be 
> there as> >>> it looked like a fantastic time.> >>> -- > >>> From the River City 
> by the Sea!> >>> Jerry "Matt" Matsick> >>> "Jacksonville"> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 
> >>> >> Herb Brannon> >>> >> Greetings From America's North Coast> >>> >>> >>> 
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